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#10163 - 10/22/10 10:54 PM absorbing the damaged life,how?
clearblue Offline
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Hi,its has been just 6 months since the Psychopath's have been out of my life due to death and jail.
I kept no family ties,none. Just me and mine,my own children,family.
I have this strange feeling now of "I can not believe this was my life".
It makes me feel relief to move on and at the same time, I can not help but feeling "how on earth"
did I ever,ever get to this,or this past.
I can not find a place for this weird Psychopath stuff in my crowded mind.
It makes sense,no sense.
I keep feeling I must of been out of my mind to ever get caught up,involved with,family or not. Why.....I do not know why.
I had some years of distance from the Psychopath's..
Then it all came closing in.
They came into my life,looked for us,made our life a mess.
Yet I was here,it all happened so fast.
How could it,I keep asking myself.
I am trying to place myself in my part.
It feels so sickening,wrong to even know Psychopath's.
Yet it was real experiences.
Real out of control,dangerous.
It is hard to accept.
Is this a common feeling in the aftermath?
Will it ever make sense?
Is this after shock common?

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#10164 - 10/22/10 11:01 PM Re: absorbing the damaged life,how? [Re: clearblue]
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Hi clearblue, I'll write more tomorrow but the first thing that struck me that maybe that clarity is somewhat how people feel when they have been under spell and as they are driving away with a beat up car and their house sold to support the cult, what kind of questions would they ask, maybe some of the same. I think spell and trance fall into this also. Believing and hoping for the best, great traits but not with a Psychopath involved, they can play on those traits like a violin.

Di

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#10169 - 10/23/10 12:56 PM Re: absorbing the damaged life,how? [Re: Dianne E.]
clearblue Offline
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Hi Dianne,
It is a strange,almost hypnotic spell effect they elicit.
I distinctly recall at times feeling a brain fog.
I slept more and felt off kilter.
Questioning my reality,my experience and the Psychopath's version of the associated event.
I liken it to partitioning a hard drive for a new operating system.
They do not totally erase the info or mind of a victim.
They uses pieces of existing info to make new loops,alter outcomes.
The very principles of a virus,cloning your mental faculty and designing an outcome
for their personal use,exploitation.
Of course fear to keep the new lines of thought enforced.
Isolation to help cement the new altered thought process.
Coming in under the guise of needed sympathy is one of their strongest masks.
Human nature of healthy minds is to nurture the sick,helpless,feed the hungry,house the cold ect.
Help the underdog.
I believe Psychopath's are masters of malingering.
Malingering is one of their mastered ploys.
I have seen it in action with Psychopath's.
Use a wheelchair,climb a ladder.
Limp all day,dance all night.
They horde things through malingering actions too.
Hording is another Psychopath trait I have noticed.
Fetish things,food things,money,resources.
They have a horde held somewhere.
All the while you,your resources remain expendable.
You,your things were never part of their object horde.
You were waste on the sideline,a step to further their object horde.

The spell keeps the thought,reactions you have compartmentalized.
You can not deal with it,inside or outside so the mind puts it into compartments.
The compartments are not connected to normal thought processes.
They are not on memory recall for future use.
Your mental closet gets filled up.
You do not open the door because there is a constant new compartment to deal with.
All the needed closet space takes up the living space.
You no longer live your life.
There is no place left for you to live it.
You exist.
Psychopath's work is done when you exist.

The spell is broken by the Psychopath leaving.
You look at all the closets you need to unpack, pack for a move to a new life.
You become overwhelmed by the volume of work needed.
You become depressed because you are overwhelmed.
If you get half sorted Psychopath may re-appear.
Psychopath will take that half of progress too.

Psychopath is extroverted demanding you be introverted.
Everything a Psychopath does is presented outside himself.
Everything they leave to a victim is inside victims themselves.

Psychopath's are a spiritual assailant.
Things of the spirit self,joy love,recorded memories of emotional joy,love.
Thats what Psychopath's destroy.
They leave all the evidence on the outside.
Victims,empty body looking for the spark of life,joy.
Psychopath's reflect it in the empty look in their eyes.
They leave you with this empty.
Psychopath does not have a spirit or spiritual gifts to draw breath with.
They have a lost or broken spirit.
Spirited people sense this and share all their spiritual gifts.
Its an attempt at human triumph,to alleviate human suffering,self sacrifice.
Totally unselfish acts,humanity at its best.
Psychopath does not have a place for spirit.
The void never gets filled.
Psychopath is the metaphor of Frankenstein.
He wants his right to exist.
Never gaining his spirit to co exist.

I read that society is top heavy with Psychopath's and Psychopath types now.
How will we break the spell,keep it broke.
Keep safe our families,selves and society?
We need to educate people.
Raise public awareness.
Its a battle society can not loose.
Its already generating a billion dollars yearly in Psychopath's outcomes on society.
How many devastated lives go with that?
Any one life is one to many.




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#10195 - 10/24/10 05:10 PM Re: absorbing the damaged life,how? [Re: clearblue]
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You have described what it seems my young adult child is going through. Thank you, clearblue.

"It is a strange,almost hypnotic spell effect they elicit."

I'm aware that this can take effect very rapidly (in less than an hour in this case) and know that the psychopath draws on the empathy of the victim. Are you able to describe how the victim first succumbs to the 'hypnotic spell effect'?

All help appreciated.

TIA,
Pseudonym.

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#10201 - 10/24/10 06:15 PM Re: absorbing the damaged life,how? [Re: Pseudonym]
clearblue Offline
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Hi Pseudonym,
What an excellent question.
I know in my own self I felt a euphoric state with the Psychopath.
As crazy as that may seem,sound or the many facets it can encompass I felt euphoric.
The only other occasion I noticed I felt close to this same feeling, was after a shot of Jagermeister,not in the company of a Psychopath.
It was a very warm glow feeling.

Examples of how- euphoric states,Endorphins

http://www.vitaminstuff.com/articles/healthfitness/articles-healthfitness-1.html


Euphoric,definition:
Depends, since euphoria means happiness, excitement or feeling great. If you mean naturally instead of drug wise - some things that can cause euphoria are; working out, thinking positive thoughts, eating chocolate, adrenaline or being scared, laughing hysterically, acupuncture, having an orgasm. All...
http://answers.ask.com/Health/Pharmacy/what_causes_euph...



It must so be difficult to read here, knowing your child is involved with a Psychopath.
I really feel for you, your situation.
I hope this reply has helped.


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#10206 - 10/24/10 07:59 PM Re: absorbing the damaged life,how? [Re: clearblue]
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Thank you again, clearblue. That doesn't sound 'crazy' to me. The state of euphoria fits this case too.

Are you able to pinpoint what it was that the psychopath did, perhaps it was a combination of things, the very first time you were made to feel euphoric? What I'm trying to find out is how they manage to put people into a mesmerised state.

Pseudonym.

Postscript: Sorry I didn't scroll far enough down your reply and missed reading: It must so be difficult to read here, knowing your child is involved with a Psychopath.
I really feel for you, your situation.
I hope this reply has helped.


The psychopath has gone now but the aftermath remains. I've researched psychopathy for months, sometimes for 12 or so hours a day. Your messages contain some of the most relevant information I've read. Thank you for caring and for helping.

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#10207 - 10/24/10 09:00 PM Re: absorbing the damaged life,how? [Re: Pseudonym]
clearblue Offline
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Hi Pseudonym,
yes I can bring, recall the feeling still.
It is a total lack of inhibition.
A quick throw of caution to the wind.
A very immature impulse.
Not under guise of criminal acts.
Innocent laughter or tears like childhood "best friend" sharing.
Like all your quirks fit for a moment,dork to dork.
The impulsive urge to skinny dip.
Walk on the wild side.
Very unrestricted,just do it.
Throwing the clock away.
First kiss feeling.(not first kiss actually)
Romeo in the corner sees you.
Very childish impulses.
No common sense applied.
Your inner child released.

Then you step into the real world and you want that "euphoric"feeling again.

I hope this communicated or invokes by imagination for you,what the feeling was like in my life.

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#10208 - 10/24/10 11:54 PM Re: absorbing the damaged life,how? [Re: clearblue]
Pseudonym Offline
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"I hope this communicated or invokes by imagination for you,what the feeling was like in my life."

It has,clearblue. And I hope that recalling this hasn't been traumatising for you.

I know when the initial 'hypnotic spell' was first used in this case and the approximate circumstances. The victim was coerced into a situation which probably felt exactly as you've described.

Thank you, clearblue. You've really helped me to understand more about this aspect of psychopathy.

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#10209 - 10/25/10 01:48 AM Re: absorbing the damaged life,how? [Re: Pseudonym]
clearblue Offline
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You are welcome Pseudonym.
I would like to interject an idea here.

I google searched "how people cause endorphins to circulate".
Furthering along the euphoric feeling and the connection to Endorphins,
a very good description is on a google book page from Psychology,authors Don H. Hockenbury, Sandra E. Hockenbury - 2008 -
It speaks directly to this connection in the brain,body.
Also other readings{same search} have stated the "high" effect,in more scientific terms.
Comparing it to Opiates and a few other drugs yet being far stronger in the natural biological process then street or manufactured Opiates,drugs.
It would stand to reason any high must be followed by a low.
Euphoric,low crash ect.
An addiction cycle would develop.
A first "high" could not be re-experienced as stated.
The moods,mental states would be subject to not getting the fix.(lack of better word)
This body/brain chemistry can lead to eating and sexual addictions and others.
Pain,lack of sensory and a host of other functions are affected.
It seems the area of the brain in the frontal lobe has much of the functions relating to
psychopathy and victims and endorphins within the same area.
Addiction takes many devastating forms in society.
The outcomes of psychopathy are remarkable in similarity to losses of addiction patterns.
Perhaps we should look at addiction cycles, recovery needs in victims and psychopaths.
Maybe Opiate addictions could offer some clues.
The drug effect could be the spell binder in Psychopath relationships.
Fear also provides endorphins.
The low side or lack of endorphins matched many victims self described health issues,mine also.
Perhaps the mesmerized or hypnotic effect people relate to is actually an addiction cycle or disturbance
of the brain chemistry relating to endorphins.


Although I have learned,experienced much it never granted me safe passage.
Thanks to people like you I get a chance to learn more.
Your questions provided an insight.
Another angle to consider is the best.
Hope on a stick is better then a carrot.
Thank you!



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#10221 - 10/25/10 04:02 PM Re: absorbing the damaged life,how? [Re: clearblue]
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Many, many thanks for this, clearblue. I'm not able to completely absorb all at the moment but it seems as though this information you've provided might be of huge help.

Should be able to reply in full by about this time tomorrow.

Pseudonym.

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