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#1279 - 09/13/02 02:28 PM A Parents Concern
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Hello everyone:
After the recent birth of my first grandchild, my husband and I were discussing how wonderful our daughter's life had turned out and how different it would have been if she HAD married the P she was engaged to. As parents and grandparents are first concern was for a healthy baby and safe delivery for our daughter. My husband made a statement that really hit home after knowing a P for the last 19 months. He commented how as new parents you are so worried and concerned about the possibilities of birth defects and abnormalities that one has knowledge of, but we were never aware of, or gave any thought to the possibility of a child being diagnosed as a psychopath. As my husband stated "If I had ever known my child could be a psychopath, I would have never had children". Are hearts go out to all of you on this forum who are parents finding yourself in this situation. May God bless.

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#1280 - 09/14/02 03:17 AM Re: A Parents Concern
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I fully agree with your husband's observation Pat, and it does indeed lend a disturbing new dimension, particularly in as much that if I had known then what I know now, I would have spotted my dear older son before he was eight.

He will be twenty five in a couple of weeks. He popped up beside me as I was in my usual watering hole a few days ago, having just had an interview with the social security. The unemployment won't give him any money unless he attacks his previous employer for unfair dismissal, and the social security lawyer has told him that if he files charges against the employer, they will certainly countersue for the money that everyone, just under the surface, is reasonably sure that he nicked. $12,000.

But of course, the social security is there for those in need, so he gets the existential minimum- he has to go along with his bills, and they pay them directly. Humiliating? You'd never guess it to talk to him. He also makes no reference to having applied for any jobs over the last couple of months. A twenty five year old, in perfect health, with an exclusive school and private college behind him- and he is a bum!

The futility of all the worry for all the years stuns me. His mother- a high flying professional, just returned from a trip to Washington DC and heading off to Australia soon - she outright bit my daughter's head off last year for suggesting that something was wrong. "You're like your father" she screamed- "if your brother doesn't behave like him he can't stand it".

Well, Mother in a conference in Washington DC, and son a social case? Case proved. Full stop.

Of course, the last six years have drastically affected every aspect of my life in a way which is impossible to explain adequately to anyone, because there simply is no cure. And very very few people have any idea that a kid can be just plain rotten. And people's clear view, often expressed is that you are complaining too much, you certainly must have a guilty conscience (and of course there are recollections in every parent's mind, of things which they greatly wish that they had not done) . And all the time you have to watch a life deteriorating to the level of scum, his little child being comprehensively denied his fundamental rights, and the inevitable expectation that the social security will get him dead to rights, and give him a broom to push. I was watching one of those jokers the other day pushing his cart along. Long greasy grey hair, mid forties, cigarette between the lips. At a certain moment he stopped and selected his birch twig broom.
I was amazed, he actually placed the broom on the ground, and made a couple of sweepin g motions behind a parked car. He did not exaggerate and take the long handled dust pan of course- no need to over egg the pudding eh! - Then he leaned on the broom and finnished his smoke before flicking the stub into the gutter. My thought was why did he bother taking the damned broom out?

I guess of all the negative aspects on my life, work has been the main one to suffer. I'm supposed to be an expert in a very narrow engineering field, and essentially I solve technical problems for companies. It's very important not to tell the CEO that he is a chump, and I have noticed an increasing tendency for an unnecessary forthrightness.

There are some positive effects on me though. I notice the efforts to succeed of ordinary people, at any level and it affects me very much. I saw a couple of kids just now in a coffee shop. About sixteen, clearly in love, chatting away quietly. The boy has a crash helmet beside him, and he's nicely dressed in jeans and casual jacket. They're obviously making some plans and they are so obviously not antisocials. They stood up. The boy, six foot tall, the pretty girl up to his shoulder. Whether they are apprentices or university students, success shines from them. Lovely really.




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#1281 - 09/14/02 08:50 AM Re: A Parents Concern
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BonnyR, I keep hearing a song in my head "I wish I knew what I know now, when I was younger".....and I have no answers. Its more of a pervading feeling of foreboding. But underneath the surface is a frightening sadness. I really still don't want to know what I do about my daughter. I sympathise and yet can't really fathom how it must be to see the effects on your grandchild. Just so tough of a break.

What you wrote about the "efforts to succeed of ordinary people, at any level" is wonderful. Its good to be reminded of that.

Cherie

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#1282 - 09/14/02 08:59 AM Re: A Parents Concern
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Hi Pat, and thank you for your concern and kind words. As parents we always are concerned and hopeful that our babies be born healthy. My daughter was robust and healthy, and a beautiful baby. She is still all these things as a young woman. Her lackings are not visibly discernible.

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#1283 - 09/15/02 09:09 AM Re: A Parents Concern
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Yes Cherie A frightening sadness. That's it. Rgds

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#1284 - 10/09/07 10:09 AM Re: A Parents Concern
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Registered: 10/04/07
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Hi,

I believe psychopathy is a learned defect or whatever else, not a genetic problem.

I guess one cannot becom a psychopath if one's parent is.

My dad is a horrible psychopath and because of him, some people in my family told me "We were worried that you might become like him, but we're so happy you turned out to be normal".
It actually hurts me when they say this. Even though, I know they are trying to show that they love me and they know I am not like him...

But I don't think it's genetical.
I guess and hope that psychopath's create themselves, they are not born like that...

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#1285 - 10/09/07 07:05 PM Re: A Parents Concern [Re: James]
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Hi

I haven’t posted on the forum for quite a while due to various problems but have been following events every so often.

James, you have certainly had a rough time but can articulate your issues well and I feel you will move on with your own life soon. The Ps that cause us so many problems loom large in our lives for a certain period of time and it feels all consuming but it will change.

Here is a link that might be of interest, you say that you don’t think the condition is genetic so this may give you another perspective. Just because your father is who he is doesn’t mean to say his children will be the same-on the contrary-it can just be a “bad cocktail” of genes, as I have been told by someone who has done the research.

It may help you to think that your father did not choose to be a Psychopath but if that’s what he is and you can see it then hopefully you can step away from him. It’s not worth confronting a Psychopath as they know they have got to you and it feeds their ego.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/our_experts/article533524.ece

Regards
Jan

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#1286 - 10/10/07 09:02 AM Re: A Parents Concern [Re: ]
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Registered: 12/04/06
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Loc: Michigan, USA
I believe that it is both genetic and taught. My Psychopath is now 15 - his dad is normal and his mom is nuts. I definitly see Psychopath traits in her but I don;t think she is a full fledged Psychopath - but my Psychopath spent most of his time with his dad. I think that being a Psychopath is like most things in life - you are born with the propensity but the "switch" must be turned on by something.
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Cindy
mom to 4, step mom to three
including one FP

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#1287 - 10/10/07 10:26 AM Re: A Parents Concern [Re: theboyzmom]
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Hi

The evidence does seem to confirm what you say. Although it has been discussed that there are 2 types and that a primary Psychopath is born that way and it is obvious from the start and the rest have the propensity and a flick of the switch sets things in motion. Latest research indicates that if a child is well buffered by the parents then damage to scociety can be limited.
That takes 2 scenarios, 1 that the parents realise what is wrong and 2 that they have the knowledge and resources to be able to keep 10 steps of their kid 24/7.

I can't see anyway that an adukt Psychopath would undergo any type of therapy as they don't see the need to change so it is only young children that may benefit from being buffered.

My partner is normal but his ex, the kid's mother, is weird and has a lot of the traits but also I'm not sure she could be classed as a full blown Psychopath. My partner's brother in Narcissistic which is another dimension of the same condition. The research team at UCL have come to the conclusion that it is a highly heritable condition so my partner's kid has got the genes from both sides of the family. I have been told that a bad cocktail of genes causes the problem.

I have posted the above research on the forum, if you are interested and can't find it let me know and I'll re-send it.

Jan

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