outsider
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10/28/04 08:42 AM

I am going to take this thread down quite a lot of notches for the time being until we get more comfortable w/ this vast topic. But it is in the realm of the "somewhat unknown and unproven."

I have been an animal lover since I am was a child and have read countless books. Presently reading Sea Bisquit who won his races on heart and spirit; not size and strength. I am most fascinated in getting answers to a question I have. How have dogs reacted to your "P"? albeit, there are dumb canines that would hold the flashlight for a killer in their own homes BUT there are many bright canines. Animals are not blocked up by intellectualism and by our human language and all our nuances, obviously. They percieve fellow creatures on a different level and sometimes more clearly than we do. DOGS DID NOT LIKE MY "P". Can anyone relate to this phenomenon?

Outsider, this is a very interesting question.

I wonder if the Psychopath in someones life is nice them when you are around? Do you suspect they were otherwise outside of your presence?

In your heart of hearts would you leave town for a few days and leave a Psychopath (before you knew he/she was a Psychopath) in charge of your pet/s? Were your instincts that everything would be okay?

Did the Psychopath in your life ever relate disturbing stories about pets in their lives when they were children or adults?

Dianne said: "Did the Psychopath in your life ever relate disturbing stories about pets in their lives when they were children or adults?"

He said he used to chase the racing pigeons and other birds his father kept around the yard, but this sounds like something any young boy would do.

He said he generally has no feeling for pets, though he when his girlfriend left him and took the dog, he missed it.

Much later, when the facade began to crack (or he was trying to scare me), he mused about what might happen if he put the neighbour's dog (which kept getting into his yard) into the microwave. "I've put uncooked eggs in there. And flies. They blow up."

Now this is an interesting one. I have noticed that pets do not like my husband and we have had quite a few, mostly rabbits etc but also a few dogs. I did not connect it with cruelty, I wondered rather whether they pick up on vibes and did not like his. Animals have a strong sense of who is their friend or enemy, I think. He always acted very caring towards them. Strange that although he would be the one to take a dog for a walk and he fed the other pets, because he said he needed time on his own and liked to walk and keep busy, and looking back now it disguised the fact that he did not work,(also that he would never get the boys to do anything in his pampering of them to get control) and the dog should have liked him most, it did not. It liked me much better and would sit at my feet although I never gave it much attention, just the odd stroke. The rabbits did not like him either and they are very intelligent creatures. When I come to think of it, all of the pets either chose me or one of the boys to be their special person but none ever chose him. One in particular greatly disliked him.

Not wanting to take the subject off course, I noticed that babies would always cry when they looked at him (outside) Yet they would smile at me. We always used to laugh about this and not take it seriously, so regularly did it happen. So I think that maybe the vibes are strong, though not to discount the cruelty. It makes me go cold now thinking of it. I have never known babies to react like that to anyone else. They acted really upset when he smiled at them. Eugh! I can't believe I missed so many clues.

When I think back now, our first son always wanted me and would not leave me willingly to go to his father even though his father was always around and involved. Later on he won him over through playing with him. But he clung to me when very small.

I did notice that my husband was a bit on the careless side when he handled the small pets and there was one occasion when a guinea-pig had its back broken because he said it jumped out of his hand. Our pets did die regularly. But it was cancer sometimes not so much injury. But maybe they were stressed having to be with him and his bad vibes and died early because of this.

Mati

The P I knew said that he liked animals, but he had told me some strange stories about how he had raised a dog he once had, so I never left him alone with my dog.

I have never hit my dog and I had told P, even before I met him, that under no circumstances could he hit my dog.

We had been out and when we returned my dog had eaten the leftover lunch (plus) that P had left on the dining room table. The expression on P's face when he discovered that his lunch was gone was one of livid anger. It frightened me! I am certain that had I not been there, P would have hit my dog.

My dog, who is very friendly, never went up to P for attention or a friendly stroke. What she did instead was stay directly in front of him, facing me, whenever P and I discussed anything.

I read it to mean that she was protecting me by staying between P and I, and that she was checking my body language. She never, even after P had visted several times for extended periods, allowed P to take her out, but would whine and resist.

While visiting him, he became angry at his ex-wife and said, " If you don't XYZ, I will kill all your birds."

I remember a strong feeling of disbelief that a grown up man would even think of, let alone utter such a threat.

I never heard any stories of P childhood cruelty to animals, but when you consider how cruel he could be to humans, I think it is likely that he had been cruel to animals.

Nan

Bingo
A US expression when you recall something right on the nose. Had a girlfriend many years back who married a monster, a "P" to the highest degree. years later she got smart and divorced and moved away.
First one bird died. Was lying dead on the bottom of the cage, an African grey she adored. Next her entire tank of exotic fish: dead. next, her beloved little bichon frise dissappeared w/o a trace. she spend $5000.00 trying to find him. Was on the local news, in the newspaper, rented a helicopter, signs EVERYWHERE, searched for 6 months---not a trace. She looked at her "P" and said if my Macaw dies, I am taking her in for an autopsy. The Macaw never died.

Outsider

Sue,

"The Macaw never died. "

Right! That just goes to show you.

Nan

It was pretty much proof of everyone's suspicions. The poor little dog wound up in the woods dead (he was a hunter) or in a garbage bag in the garbage.
It was absolute hell for my girlfriend. She adored the dog-- had him for years.

I had not seen my "P" for 6 or 7 months. I was living with some wonderful older members of my parish (whom I remained friends with until they died years later). I gave birth to our daughter. These friends of mine had a dog, Bridgette, who loved EVERYBODY. I came home from the hospital with the baby and "P" was stopping by that evening (or the next, I don't recall) to see the baby, which was interesting to me. He rang the bell. Oh, incidentally, my brother-in-law was there--Mr. badass with the horrendous past from his youth (and it is horrible) but Bridgette liked him. So "P" comes in and we are all on the sofa and in the 2 chairs and I am holding the baby and Bridgette tries to take his head off.
It was the ONLY TIME IN HER LIFE SHE BEHAVED THAT WAY TOWARDS AN INDIVIDUAL.
Another time I was sitting on a stoop with a friend and his dog Bubba and "P" walked up---BEFORE WE WERE DATING!!!!! and again Bubba tried to have "P" for lunch. It was embarrassing for "P". Me, being the big time animal nut that I am should have taken these signs VERY VERY seriously.
Outsider