Hi everyone.

I have been lying low for a while. My health gave out and I ended up in a severe ME relapse, but am on the up again and have learnt my lesson, in overdoing things.

Something I was wondering about last night is, during the time I was with p ie 23 years, there were all sorts of weird things going on, like the houses we were living in were 'haunted'. They were always cold for example no matter how much heat was put in, and the windows always streamed with condensation in winter, and the neighbours houses did not. One house had an invasion of what you call blowflies (bluebottle to us.)

And then things would be seen like moving lights, figures, noises would be heard. As a Christian, I have my own interpretation of this phenomena, but I would be interested to hear if this sort of thing is common?

Mati

Oh my Gosh!! When I was married to my second husband for 21 yrs. I experienced wierd things too. 3am nightly the attic window always rattled loudly in one house. Cold drafts in always same area and nothing to cause them. People said that in the attic window in our 4 square house they saw a figure.Basement room was 'odd' feeling and friends would even say this...like there was a ghost of a man...violent energy.unusual opque white shadows too. I thought left over energies from people that once lived there.Then I thought they possessed my X. I have no really idea about it for sure though.

Welcome Dragonfly & Greetings Mati,

I had an weird experience too, and never would have had to courage to post it if you ladies didn't first. It was probably just a coincidence, but it was when I began to think the P was just plain evil.

It was the 2nd time I kicked the P out of my house. I got all his belongings together, & put them in the garage. My plan was to just leave the garage unlocked for him, so I didn't have to see him. Well shortly before he was due to arrive, I ran something else of his I found down to the garage... it was like the Amityville Horror. The entire garage was filled with black flies.... hundreds and hundreds of them. It stopped my blood cold in my veins. The time elapsed between when I 1st put stuff there and found them, less than 2 hrs. I was never so creeped out before.

I went out, and he came to get his things. I talked to him afterward. There was not a single live fly when he arrived... just dead ones. I returned home and sprayed every square inch of the house to make sure they all were gone. It really shook me up.

I was raised Catholic. I had the house blessed a week later. I still believe in my heart the P was pure evil incarnated into a human body. As to the flies... in my mind a sign from Above to run for my life.

Hope this finds you well!

Hugs,

SFH23

I have never witnessed supernatural phenomena, but
I have frequently reflected on the similarity of
some psychopaths to a "Screwtape demon".

the "Screwtape Letters" is a book by C.S. Lewis, and
is a bit of speculative Christian theology on demonology.

Lewis doesn't assert that demons exist, merely that it
is sometimes helpful to believe that they do.

the book goes into methods demons use to achieve spiritual
degradation such as victims of psychpaths are observed to
experience, and demonic "soul-stealing".

this book might be helpful if you view the world
this way.

Vaya con Dios,

-WK

Hello White Knight,

How are you? Thank you kindly for the post. I always enjoy your insight and recommendations.

I can honestly say I am not certain of how I view the world of demons, but had previously enjoyed reading accounts of mysterious happenings, and therefore thank you for the book recommendation. Lately, I have found that my reading materials totally exceed the time I have to indulge, but will add that one to my list. I know that I have found great value in reading as a means to attempt to understand things.

I know during the time I was involved with the P, I became certain that he was evil. Now, in retrospect, I think it was a concept that I grasped in an attempt to avoid realizing he is just a bad human being.

Either way, life is so much better without him and his daily influence. And though it may seem silly, seeing those flies that day, helped me to want to get as far away from him as I could. Reclaiming my spirituality, sense of self and sense of mind has kept me away.

I hope this finds all well with you and your friend.

Hugs,
SFH23

thanks, StunnedFunHun,

V and I had a cordial get-together, with no "P" topics
discussed, and she'd like to do it again.

more later,

-WK

Hello White Knight ~

How are you? Loved seeing the smiles on your post, even small steps can be so very rewarding! Kudos to you in finally getting V to consent to a casual get together! You are a very good friend to be so patient, considerate and thoughtful on her behalf. I know during my darkest days, if I had let just one person into my isolation, much suffering could have been saved.

I would very much enjoy hearing the details if you want to share, perhaps they could provide insight to others trying to understand how to help a V.

Keep on smiling... and thanks for the update!!!

Hugs,

SFH23

Hello everyone
i don't write often but read a lot to keep me strong, except lately with Katrina i have been more than busy.
Tonight i decided to take some time to read and i just want to share a few things with my ex-ex-p.

When i would see him in public or going to meet with him my body would be super cold and i would be trembling-shaking in my boots litterally
until he would come to me and tell me something nice that he was glad to see me then my coldness would go away
but if he would tell me something mean or accuse me of something stupid then i would be cold for a longer time.


Another thing when we would get together when i knew i should not be with him as soon as we would be close together a few time accident would happen right by us on a street corner or a fight would happen and he would get a kick out of it.

And so many time when he would get violent with me i would cast Satan out of him in the name of Jesus, in my head he could not hear me, and he would calm down to a limit enough for me to run away from the situation.

So many time though i did not have time to pray i would get a hit for sure, and i would bargain with God, OK God if you get me out of this one i won't see him again and i would be right back the next day.

I remember once he wanted me to drive him home as soon as he is in my car he starts to argue acting jealous, by now i knew it was just one of those act to get money out of me and he did not feel for sex, i kept telling him to get out of the car but he won't he just loves to argue and scare the hell out of me with stories that don't make sense,
i got an idea to throw the 10dollars that he wanted, out the car,
sure enough it did work he got out to pick it up and i flew out of there.
Quite a lot of time i had to do trick to get away from him.

He would tell me that he was a warlock or a witch himself and he would put spell on people that did not want to be his friend anymore.

We both know a lot of people in music world and he would tell different story to each of his girlfriends or guys, one that i was so jealous that i wanted have her killed, that was pretty scary, she would be leaving horrible messages on my phone
i was telling her that i was happy that he was gone he was nothing but trouble
another one he said that i was harrassing him
but thank God after one month when she received her phone bill she saw that he was calling me 20 times a day, i would pick up the phone and just hung up on him so she could see on the bill that he was calling me, a few time i would talk to him to see where his head was at,
he kept saying he wanted to marry me and begging me to come back
one night he was playing and he was begging me to come and see him play, i told him no because he has a girlfriend and he kept saying it was just a friend
so i went to see him even though i knew he was with her for her money (i do enjoy his music) and the lady told me after that month of the phone bill that the night i showed up he told her i was harassing him.
That is just a few things i mention, there are many more crazy thing he said to people, sometime i would have a dream about mud on my feet or mud on my white clothes and the next day someone would tell me huh, freedom, do you know what p is saying about you?

We are not friend anymore and he knows that but when he call in a blue moon he acts like we are still together I got a call from him not long after Katrina asking right away did i get money from FEMA and that is all he wanted to know then a few days ago call at 3 in the morning, he use to do that a lot, "Hey! Honey what'you doing?" I just hung up and turned my phone off.

Good to read you'all again

freedom

Hey Freedom and SFH23... It's awesome to see your posts! I'm glad things are going so well (as long as the NUTCASE P leaves you alone, right!?)... I had a phone call from "mine" out of the blue early last month because he spotted me in a mall - I also hung up as soon as I heard his eerie voice (he also acted as if no time had passed since we last "talked") .... I also turned off my phone, and he left a long message, repeating himself over and over and and telling me how he "would love to see me in person, actually NEEDED to see me, yada, yada, yada..." Of course I never returned his call, and he never called again since. THANK YOU GOD!!! But, I will probably ALWAYS be "on my toes" for bumping into him or "surprise" phone calls, etc... Actually, this is a GOOD thing I learned from knowing the P... I am so much more cautious of people (especially those who LOOK sweet and trustworthy!!!) This site and all of you have been lifesavers!!

I also had many "WEIRD THINGS" happen when I was "involved" with the P. Towards the end of our "relationship" (if you can call it that?!) I was meeting him across the street from where I worked to kindly "break it" to him that I couldn't see him anymore (He was truly beginning to SCARE me)... So, I spotted him across the street and walked across and the SECOND I made eye contact with him - I twisted my ankle and fell flat on my face! I banged up my head, my knee and BROKE my foot! I am totally convinced it was God's way of telling me STOP SEEING THIS EVIL CREATURE ONCE AND FOR ALL!!! It literally "knocked me off my feet!"... There were other instances too... I'll post them sometime. Anyway, these freaks of nature are sure scary and to be avoided for LIFE! Love and best wishes to you and all the others.... Tiasa XO

OH! I almost FORGOT! What I also wanted to mention was the word "WEIRD"... I used it A LOT when I first met "my" P. Of course I said it in a "loving" jovial manner "You're weird!" or "You act weird!" OR "You're being weird!" ... I remember it very vividly: He would get visably upset and say "Don't EVER use that word around me!" I'd be stunned because he would get so serious (and I'm often kidding and joking) -- I would say "Lighten up... I don't mean "YOU" are weird" (Although I was just in denial that he WAS TRULY WEIRD!!!!!!!!)... anyway, sometimes I still "slipped" and STILL called him "WEIRD" (I couldn't help myself... I'm HONEST!) ;-) I remember how strange I thought it was that he would get soooo upset just by being called "weird" (and now I understand why... it's because he KNEW it was the TRUTH!!!) Love to all again... Tiasa

Mine looked like Weird Al and he HATED it when people would call him that - and they did a lot. My story is soooo much like yours that I thought he was Lee. I posted my story yesterday but am new to boards and I guess it got lost because i posted it in reply to yours which was years ago. Did he ever go away for good? Mine has been back from jail only since the 10th. I'm scared.

hello!

Yes, I too have experienced some "weird things". Among these things were:

- very scary dreams involving him as a large black spider and I'm a little mouse being tangled in his web.
- I used to start shaking uncontrollably whenever approaching him in the aftermath of breaking up with him.
- after I received one email from him, I fell down on the floor and broke the glass that I was carrying, scarring some of my palm.
- after the above email incident, I went out to the shops and a heavy hail-storm started which hurt my face.
- when I had another dream about him, I woke up and found a large black spider in my dust-bin, right by my bed.

other things happened: mostly energy drain of me and those of my friends who care about me.

[this is scary, real scary!]

Seeing the title of this thread reminded me of something really weird that happened with P-boss.

One morning at the office, P-boss told me he was interested in buying some sound equipment and asked me to look into it. It had nothing to do with my job but P-boss fancied the company to be his fiefdom and we were the serfs naturally. So at any given time he had all sorts of people tending to his personal requests.

Anyhow, I went out at lunchtime that day just to get something to eat not too far from the office. As I pulled out of the parking lot I noticed a cube van right behind me. I got the impression the driver and passenger were watching me but wasn't sure. I got to an intersection and was waiting to make a turn and someone walked right up to my window. It was the driver of the van. He first complimented me (I thought it was an odd place for it) and then asked if I was interested in some free sound equipment! I was pretty stunned (remembering P-boss's request). He said he and his friend were supposed to set up for some event but it got cancelled and they had this free equipment they wanted to give away. Hmmm......The guy was quite persistent and I just thought it was totally bizarre. I told him I wasn't interested, thanked him and drove away.

If that was a co-incidence, I'd say it was a VERY big one but somehow I don't think so.

If I recall correctly P-boss told me not to worry about looking into the sound equipment at some point after that.

Something else happened at that company that I thought was questionable.

A couple of the computers (just the hard drives) from the HR dept. went missing over a weekend. When I heard about it I thought it shouldn't be too hard to resolve because only a few people went in during weekends. We had security passcards so they could track entries/exits. Can't remember if they had cameras at the time - it was a new building so they may not have been installed.

P boss had gone in that weekend and I believe I had too (it's been a while). Anyway, I just remember the whole investigation seemed very hush-hush and it almost seemed like there was some sort of cover-up. I worked in an area where usually I would have gotten to know more about a situation like that but not that time. I believe I asked the CEO's assistant if they were able to solve it and she seemed really evasive which was unusual for her and our CEO always looked the other way so it's not like he would have confronted P-boss.

I ALWAYS felt that P-boss had something to do with it and lately it occurred to me it's even more likely given that they were HR computers and likely contained some/all personnel files. That's exactly the kind of info a P would love to have.

Very weird.

Here are some weird things about the P in my life. He goes absolutely psychotic when we watch any movies that graphically show good and evil. I took him to see Constantine and didn't tell him what it was about... He shook and trembled for days.

When he has twisted me, I was always bone cold, even when miles away from him... and instances when I found out later that he was planning on punishing me... those times I couldn't get warm. He keeps his house stifling hot and sleeps under enough blankets for three beds.

There is a presence in his house that my kids have seen and he claims he has seen it too. It is a white wispy bit that floats horizontally through the house in the middle of the night. He claims that the previous owner of the house suicided there and that is why he could buy the house so cheaply... no one else wanted to live in it.

He is very superstitious and keeps icons of the Madonna, and other female deities on all his shelves and surfaces in his bedroom.

He has very bizarre ideation and he uses circular logic and gets angry when I won't support it, and I have often gotten the feeling over the years that he can't handle reality, and has to create a cotton candy world to live with himself.

Diane1969

Oh, one more thing... the dream. When I first got involved with the P, before any of his evilness showed up and he was all charm and attention and hang dog, goofy, I had the following dream.

I dreamed that I went to his house (different from his REAL house) and shortly after I got there, there was a knock on the door. The P shuffled me off into a bedroom and told me to stay put and do not open the door and his manner was menacing. After he left, I opened the door and heard a woman's voice. I snuck out of the room and in the dream there was a stairway between the downstairs bedroom, where he had stuck me, and the front room where he was in charming conversation with another woman. Under the stairs was one of those cubby hole storage areas and I hid in there. There was a vent and I could look out and also hear what was being said. He was saying something sleazy to her like offering to give her a lube job - on her car of course, haha... and I was terrified and frozen to the spot. He told her to call him later, that he was busy right now and he hustled her out the door. I could also see a black cat sitting just in front of the vent in front of my face. As soon as he closed the door he went back to the bedroom to retrieve me and when he found I wasn't there he went into a rage, screaming wordlessly. He came storming into the front room and kicked the cat and sent it flying across the room. I woke trembling and it took me days to calm down from this dream.

I should have heeded the dream.

Diane1969

My P also rocks himself all the time, whether standing or sitting and he sometimes hums to himself... I never connected that behavior before, but I know it is seen in children of extreme early neglect. I always just thought it was endearing.

Diane1969

Another weird thing….this time with P-ex.

I was talking to a family member at my place one evening. During the course of the conversation, she mentioned a certain individual who had some personal challenges in the past (alcoholism etc.).
Later that evening, I got a call from P-boyfriend who was apparently at home and he starts telling me that he watched a movie that evening. I asked him what it was about and he mentioned almost exactly the same details as the person my relative and I had been discussing. He also said it very pointedly as if to mess with my mind. I was shocked because it seemed very likely that P had overheard our conversation. The only way I could think of that he would have been able to do that is if he had placed some sort of wireless recording device at my place. It seems right up a Ps alley because they love control and playing mind games. When I mentioned that to my relative, she of course thought that was too farfetched.

In fact, I remembered it had happened a couple of times at the previous place I lived at but that time around it was more subtle. I recall that he used to keep badgering me to let him have a key to my place and I flat out refused which ticked him off majorly.

I remembered one day as P and I left the building, the guard called out to me and showed me a bunch of keys and asked if they were mine. He said they had been found outside in the snow in the parking lot. I was surprised because I didn’t realize they were lost in the first place. P used to sometimes borrow them when he went out but he never mentioned that he lost them. I asked him about it and he sort of gave a P response, half laughing, half denial. I suspect he must have made a copy at some point. Creepy.

Sylvie

hi Sylvie,

just viewing this as a technology issue, surveillance counter-measures
have also migrated into the realm of consumer electronics.

here is a site advertising such things:

http://www.securitydepotinternational.com/index.cfm/fa/categories.main/parentcat/10180

I'm sure there are many more.

since he phoned you the same evening, the implication is that the possible
bug transmits in real-time, making it a LOT easier to find. if it's
transmitting in real-time, it requires a power source -- your phone? or
frequent access to replace the batteries.

it might be worth the money to get P out of your life.

hope this helps,

-WK

Hi Whiteknight,

Thanks for the link and information you provided - they certainly have some interesting products. I’m not actually in that situation anymore (thankfully!). The incidents happened many years ago while I was dating that P. I thought I’d post it so that if there are others who have similar suspicions in their dealings with a P, they can see that Ps are capable of that (or others have had similar concerns).

I had looked up similar info at some point after that and was amazed by all of the equipment that’s available for surveillance. It made me look askance at the stuffed animals that P had given me. In fact, I turned them to face the wall in case any of them were spies (cameras) and packed others away. It’s almost funny to think about now. It’s also unnerving – Ps must love that kind of thing to keep tabs on people and throw them off balance.

Regards,
Sylvie


P.S. I wish I actually did catch him at it - that would have been priceless.

Oh, yeah!

Like casually dropping information that could have been obtained only if he had been in your house and gone through your things...

And they always seem so shocked at how dysfunctional you are because you object to them doing anything they like with you and your life. Unreal!

Diane1969

You know, I have often wondered if P's can read emotions on others very well. Oh, I know they have trouble recognizing sad facial features. But it seems to be more pervasive than just that. It is as though your inner life has no meaning for them at all, nor do your emotional reactions, or even your body posture. I don't think they read others in such a way that the "resonate" with them. And often their manipulations are so thin, that if you are expecting it, they can't charm you any more. I don't know anything for sure, but both my father and my ex-P seemed such thin shadows of real people, and I guess that is the shallowness so often exhibited. And I think it is our own shocked reaction or disbelief at the audacity that blinds us to the paper thin manipulations of a P.

And being in close proximity to a P and getting to know them, the thing that always struck me the most odd is the lack of response that they exhibit to the real you, to your concerns, your desire to share, your reaching out to them, to your humanity. And their lack of appropriate response is 100%. And so to me, P's often come across as almost cut-out cardboard people.

Anyway, just rambling here.

Diane1969

Hello everybody

First of all I would like to ask you to forgive my english, as I m not a native speaker..

I wouldnt beleive that other people too felt weird things about Ps.Let me tell you my story..Since I was a child I believed a lot in God.Later on I believed a lot in evil.Very early in my childhood I met people who amused theirselves by doing "seances" I met people who were satanists ext. For a very long period I couldnt spleep.I was feeling that Evil was near me,sometimes I even saw him. A BEUTIFUL MAN WITH DARK HAIR AND BLUE EYES.Each time I saw him I was so afraid I couldnt even prononce a word..!

This kept for some time until I turned into God.Then everything stopped and I was ok.In all my life I had this gift:I saw things/events in my dreams which almost always were becoming true after a while. Strange things in my life...Then I studied Psychology (in this moment I m doing a Masters in Work Psychology)and I learnt much more things about human nature.

10 years later after my disturbances of Evil I came to France to do my Masters.And it is now that I met my P.From his very first look at me I sensed that something odd was going on but I didnt gave any attention as I was a bit drung and as his perfect appearance and his beautiful BMW were signs of a nice well educated man. Still he was A BEUTIFUL MAN WITH DARK HAIR AND BLUE EYES......

But I was far away from my past and I didnt think of it. The very first time he came to take me for a ride with this car and I dont know why as I usually I dont have such a sense of humor, I asked him but in a serious manner "so where is your nife?where are you driving me to kill me?" The strange is that in the beginning he didnt get it,but then without laughing either he said "not yet not yet".It supposed to be a jok but finnaly none laughed..It appeared very strange to me all that situation bu I didnt yet know he was a P..

The first time I entered his house..ah my God what I felt..it was like I was in a movie;I had the sensation that I was in the house of a mad person. And it got worst when we made love in this house;you may think that I m crazy but I swear to God that I had the impression that something evil was going on. So much I was upset that I thought of asking him if anyone had died in that house before. Of course I didnt do it..!

This man had been in prison for 6 months for depts and theaft, but actually I m wondering if it was only that. He told me that in the past he was violent but 4 months I know him he never demonstrated such a behavior..I m so scared to know..but I know that this man has something evil,I m certain..I love sleeping,he is THE ONLY MAN with hom I cant sleep.

I believe in demons oh yes I do,but I m a scientist on the other hand..so I m too confused with all that..so I think in both cases I should run away..

Thank you for listening.

I once had a horrible dream about my ex P. I was in the attic of a barn with another man. My ex came into the attic. He had the head of a pig and he was wearing this strange costum like a clown with suspenders. He had to other strange looking men with him. They were all feindishly laughing at me. I of course was scared to death. They murdered the man that was with me and then bound me up. My ex dragged me through a corn field. Laugh widly as we went. The closer we got to this swamp I started to see people inpaled on stakes half submerged in the swamp water. The looks on the faces of these people were horrific. They were in such agony and pain. Their hands were curled up and shaking. I could never describe the horror on their faces. Twisted in agony. We came to a stop. My ex had a huge wooded spear in his hand. I was placed on my side and implaped as well and then I woke up. I beleive this to be a sign. He was a pig in real life and he did put me thru agony.
Thanks for listneing

Its funny that you mention this stuff people because as I have said before I am a christian and I believe in the Lord...I know without a doubt that the Psychopath that I was with was posessed. I had a brand new apartment and nice things and Joy, when I moved into the apartment. But when I would sleep, I would have these nightmares and they would be so real...I dont know if he poisened me with anything else but I do know that he was giving me the sex pills in food... I think most of these people are veryu evil and I believe that they know they are doomed and they have no hope for anything real or good...they would just contaminate it.
I remember at some times if he was in a room and I was in another, and he would come into my room that room would get darker. Like he had a huge shadow over the whole room.
I wanna say something that is embarassing to me and also really creepy, I only told my best fiend this like way later. The first time we "messed around" Psychopath kept making this spooky hissing sound and I was afraid of him then but of course I didnt leave. But when he spoke his voice was deeper and he hissed in my ear. He asked me if I was, " Ready for him" and I know people say things in the heat of the moment, but his was different and he one time made me promise him my soul. He also told me I had to be the one to carry his seed. I think he got me pregnant on purpose and I let him. Dont ask why cause I really dont know why... and I might never.

when I finally ended things with him, it was hard because I had this inner gravitation towards him and his dangerous lifestyle. It was as if he did have my soul and I wished that I had never known him.