This may have already been discussed here and every time I've read comments on this subject, I become more fascinated with it. I realize that the prefrontal cortex of the brain of a P doesn't have a lot of activity. In my situation, I have an N so the prefrontal love lacks activity. BUT since most of them have been taught right from wrong, aren't their actions considered to be evil? Are they some sort of creatures from the abyss that are just in human form? A lot of these people have done such awful things and have no regrets at all. Does anyone have any knowledge of this or even an opinion on this?

I recently read an article which featured Robert Hare and a number of other researchers who state. They do know right from wrong. And they have the ability to inflict this wrong when no one is watching. So yes in this context they seem to know, however do they know the difference between right and wrong this is the question i would like to ask. My thinking at the moment is that right and wrong is simply tools in aquiring what they need> a tool to be used nothing more nothing less>

researchers have discovered abnormal brain activity< so to me this makes them able to understand right from wrong< but they cannot actually process the difference between right and wrong>

evil well, THERE actions are evil, but i dont believe at this time the person concerned is totally evil due to this brain malfunction. Just a thought.

rosie

The man I was with was very clear with me, that he knows right from wrong. He is aware of his behavior and that he hurts others and *chooses* not to change his behavior. He intentionally sets out to use, manipulate, humiliate, and hurt women, thus, in his mind, "destroying" them. He is a true sadist.

Frankly, in recent months, I've wondered if he has raped women in the past or will rape in the future or is currently raping women outside of this community. The MO is the same: aggression. I've met some disordered people in the course of my life but this one's behavior, the ex-P, is by far the most alarming.

Panamint

hey Pinamint,

I agree with you, when a person knows exactly the pain he causes, is causing, and will cause in the future to others is evil.

Im very new here to the forum, in fact I only found out what a true physchopath-sociapath is, from a documentary I Watched last Thursday featuring robert hare.

One incident I can remember from my past, is when I left my ex ,one of his friends who happened to be a juvenile prison warden, actually rang me, and warned that he knew exactly what pain he was inflicting on the children, and would continue to hurt them until he got what he wanted, and that was me. He would play emotional mind games and gut wrenching scenarios where he would try to kill himself in front of them. He was playing, he knew the pain he was causing too.

For me pinamint I think i am still coming to terms with Evil. I HAVENT yet accepted that my daughter is evil< and a piece of me doesnt yet accept that she may never change>< please also note im not even sure she is a pyschopath> so excuse my ignorance>

I was wondering if you could help me with a question that has stuck in my head for sometime. Did you ever question yourself how you attracted this type of person into your life.?

rosie

Thanks for bringing this up, Jammie. I believe very much in the concept of evil. Although not all young Psychopaths torture animals, I have to believe this is an evil act. Torturing their other siblings is indeed evil and causes terror in the family structure. I think when a person has a young FP and feel like they can't take their eyes off of them for fear of what they will do, I suspect the parent/caregiver is afraid of an evil act being done. It would be my best guess that evil and Psychopathy go hand in hand.

If you do a search here for the word evil you will see that it is mentioned very often. There is a specific thread that discusses in detail this concept Evil

From all the reading I have done I am only guessing here but I suspect Fledgling Psychopaths are evil and display evil tendencies or they are good at hiding them.

There have been a few recent court cases of young kids killing parents and grandparents. Do I think these kids were Psychopaths, more than likely, do I think they are evil, definetly. They both laid in wait for their victims before murdering them, cold and calculating.

Just my two cents,

Di

Hi Rosie and Pinamint, Your thoughts are both very interesting. It's hard to believe, but I'm beginning to think they're purely evil. They are taught right from wrong and they normally are predators to people they know they can overtake. They'll beat on a woman or child, but won't try to do it to a 6 foot bodybuilder. It's almost like their soul is a totally different species from our souls. They're just little monsters with human bodies. They probably don't want to change because they normally get what they want by being their ruthless selves. I know that some of you are also parents of a P or N and I don't want you to be hurt by my comments. We've just been through so many years and so much hatred from our daughter that I'm really beginning to see the light. Thank you both for replying.

Diane, we must've been posting at the same time. LOL This would've been really hard for me to accept at the beginning, but I definitely agree with you. It seem that they are evil because like I said before, they ARE taught right from wrong. Daughter has so many things built up in her mind about what awful people we are and that everything that has gone wrong for her throughout her life is because of the "terrible" way that we raised her. She by no means had a perfect childhood, but in her mind we were extremely abusive people. We were what I'd call "lazy" parents. It was just so much easier to let her have her way then to fight with her all the time. I keep thinking that if only we'd have been stricter and somehow forced her to listen, things would be different. But I'm beginning to realize that she's an N and there's probably nothing that we could've done that would change that.

(Did you ever question yourself how you attracted this type of person into your life.?)

Hi Rosiekiwi,
Yes, I have asked myself why he targeted me. The answer is, he targets strong women who are at a vulnerable point in their lives. At the time we dated, I was vulnerable because I was recovering from a divorce.

Looking back and having observed the pattern with other women, he selects his target early on and actively builds the woman's trust. He works at this for months, developing the "friendship". Then he swoops in, pulls the rug out and turns the other cheek.

Panamint

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I recently read an article which featured Robert Hare and a number of other researchers who state. They do know right from wrong.

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I this is quite a subtle point and not an easy one. I think that intellectually psychopaths do know right from wrong because they have learnt the difference. At least the socialised psychopaths who have been bought up in a supportive non-criminal environment do.

What they lack is the instinctive feeling for what what is right and wrong, good/evil, that normal people possess. Everything feels the same to them, whereas we are restrained (partly) by the knowledge that if we commit evil actions we are going to feel really bad about it afterwards. That 'feeling bad about it afterwards', or before the event when even just contemplating an evil act, is what the psychopath lacks. Conscience. Remorse.

Conversely normal people also experience positive emotional feelings when behaving altruistically or 'doing good'. The psychopath also lacks these.

In the absence of these feelings is it any wonder that all psychopathic action is based on the principle of 'looking after no.1. Gaining maximum material benefit for himslef and satisfying the other requirements of the psychopathic character (for instance maintaining dominance and staving of boredom - see thread "What motivates the P?")

So yes ...they DO know right from wrong, but as far as the psychopath is concerned these are just arbitrary labels - which feel just the same i.e. not at all. Like red and blue are to somebody blind from birth.

the fact that they do know the difference is the reason that psychopathy is not a defence in law for illegal actions in the way that psychosis is. The pychopath knows what he/she is doing, knows it wrong, and makes a cost / benefit analysis - when chosing do do wrong / evil, personal benefit outweighing likelyhood of being caught and punished. Conscience doesnt come into that equation as the psychopath does not have one. Emotional deficit ('stone cold') is the root of psychopathy.

Most of the time, when the outcome of any action is not likely to have any serious negative impact, I doubt that whether something is 'right' or 'wrong', good or evil, even enters the psychopaths thoughts at all. Why should it? To the P it doesnt really mean anything.

TO just a man




thankyou for the valuable information you provided in your post> I am looking for ,all and any information, on these matters.

I have a question that you might be able to help me out with.

Whats your views that phschopathy can be inherited.?

My daughter is showing the traits, (possibly learnt), my EX shows all the signs of being one< and his father who lucky for myself never got to meet, But heard plenty about, also displayed these traits.

One article I read pointed out that a certain gene combined with a bad environment can bring out this behaviour. If so, how come other siblings with the same genetic makeup or biology and environment do not have the ps traits.

The other question is this then, why is it that some of these Ps
come from really good homes?

Also another matter of interest, yestoday I came across another article in "THE LISTNER titled born to be bad" where the physchopaths were been introduced to empathy modules. They were inmates of a prison in New zealand. These modules would gets the Ps to play out the parts of the victim, The victims families, and of course the P ABUSER himself. Apparently there has been some degree of success with this treatment.

Perhaps they were never Ps at all? or perhaps they were simply been manipulative. Any idea?


Rosie