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#12603 - 01/27/12 10:49 AM Re: Do Psychopaths feel FEAR? [Re: Dianne E.]
starry Offline
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I think you're extremely naive if you think you can get between a psychopath and his next 'victim', and somehow manage to warn the 'victim' off.

Why? Because you're entering into a confrontation, and in a confrontation (any kind of confrontation) the psychopath has to win.

Not empty words on my part, but because I've been in your shoes.

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#12604 - 01/27/12 11:03 AM Re: Do Psychopaths feel FEAR? [Re: Goran]
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Originally Posted By: Goran
Originally Posted By: starry
To me it's interesting that you think there is such a clear dividing line between 'murderous' psychopaths and 'the other' kind.

Surely any sort of behaviour (on the psychopath's part) which they can use to subdue their 'victim' is fair game? Death threats, starvation, torture, sexual assault, rape...none of these murder, but all of these very effective. And I would suggest that these techniques are more widespread than you might like to think. Not such a clear dividing line after all.


What I am saying is that there is a almost non-existent chance of risking your life if you do confront a socialized psychopath, even smaller if you confront him as a group and no reason at all to constantly cycle this psychopath murderer image in front of people. It's exactly what the psychopath wants - everyone to consider him beyond challenge and throw all rationalization out the window. He's not beyond challenge.

I know these people are scary, they have ways to destroy people psychologically, but fear of murder should not be the first thing that freezes us stiff when dealing with one of them.


Sure, if you fancy risking everything, then go right ahead.

I have a story of a psychopath where I worked. Head of an institution, a man who faked his qualifications. Senior member of staff discovered it. He had no second thought in destroying her career and her name (through the press). And that's only what I found out through the press about what had happened. What else did he do to get what he wanted? With no conscience, what would he have stopped at?

What would you be prepared to risk? What is it that you most fear losing? Because that is what these people do, that is their currency. And not only, but they find corners of your mind that you didn't even know existed and things you didn't even realise were important to you or that you are afraid of.

What do you hope you would achieve? And how would you go about doing that?

Originally Posted By: Goran
...no reason at all to constantly cycle this psychopath murderer image in front of people.


I find this a little insulting. You know nothing about me, or my circumstances, what my story is, or what brought me here. And yet you're accusing me of 'constantly cycling this psychopath murdered image'?

For that reason, I'm out.



Edited by starry (01/27/12 11:17 AM)

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#12606 - 01/27/12 11:20 AM Re: Do Psychopaths feel FEAR? [Re: Goran]
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Goran,

Most of us on here have told their stories. Please share yours and maybe others can help you understand what your taking about. You need to let go of any preconceived notions about 'human beings' if you are to understand the psychopath.

More and more research is being done using mri scans and monitoring the brain activity in people. the psychopath brain operates as though it's been damaged. Brain injuries to certain parts of the brain result in behaviors equal to the psychopath.

So what ever you say about fear is not possible. But if you will keep at it.. please provide the research that supports this theory. I am disturbed by this because it is the commonality of the psychiatric community that keep telling the poor victim that THEY are in fact human (in our terms) when they are not. No Way, No How.

Another comment is that the topic of murder or violent behavior. This is another silly discussion. I'm sure whether or not they are violent all depends on other factors.. how they grew up.. their surroundings .. their ability to manipulate without physically harming their victims. That's all. My dad grew up in a nice upwardly mobile environment. He was physcially attractive, charming, funny, capable.. so why would he need to physically hurt someone.. the world was his oyster... EVERYONE loves him.. except he has destroyed and killed the souls of his wife and his children.

I have intimate experience with a psychopath. My entire childhood I watched him kill my family. picked them off one by one. he gives up on me because.. i don't know, because he doesn't have the same power over me.. i guess i'm stronger.. i see right through him.. i'm a witness to his crimes. why would he waste his time on me. all interactions are unpleasant for him. because i do believe they are narcissistic. of course, if you feel nothing for others, you must be centrally focused on yourself. And fear.. it's not even on my radar with him. his eyes.. my upbringing with him has made me an incredibly masterful observer.. of human nature... and people. his eyes.. no fear... just kindof interest.. with a twinge of curiosity... he's intuned to others like wolf...

there's a documentary.. stress, portrait of a serial killer...watch it.. guy studies a colony of baboons.. and the big ass baboons.. torture the others.. but when they are all tested for their stress hormones.. big baboon has none.. it's all good for him.. little victims die young.. due to major stress.. watch it.. please share with us where you derive your 'opinions' ..

opinions that are tested.. become fact.

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#12610 - 01/27/12 12:06 PM Re: Do Psychopaths feel FEAR? [Re: daddysproblem]
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Originally Posted By: daddysproblem


Another comment is that the topic of murder or violent behavior. This is another silly discussion. I'm sure whether or not they are violent all depends on other factors.. how they grew up.. their surroundings .. their ability to manipulate without physically harming their victims. That's all. My dad grew up in a nice upwardly mobile environment. He was physcially attractive, charming, funny, capable.. so why would he need to physically hurt someone.. the world was his oyster... EVERYONE loves him.. except he has destroyed and killed the souls of his wife and his children.




This is interesting for me, as my dad had the most incredible upbringing. Well off, privately educated, he wanted for nothing, nothing. And yet sexual assault and violence is his currency. He started when he was a teenager, on his sister. I can only conclude he uses them as he enjoys it, they are effective and they really silence his 'victims'.

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#12614 - 01/27/12 01:06 PM Re: Do Psychopaths feel FEAR? [Re: starry]
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Originally Posted By: starry
I think you're extremely naive if you think you can get between a psychopath and his next 'victim', and somehow manage to warn the 'victim' off.

Why? Because you're entering into a confrontation, and in a confrontation (any kind of confrontation) the psychopath has to win.

Not empty words on my part, but because I've been in your shoes.



Hi starry.

I'd be very interested in hearing everything you would like to share of your experiences, especially when it comes to confrontation. If you don't feel comfortable sharing details in public, I am fine with whatever communication suits you.

To the rest of the folks that find my posts offensive: they are not meant to be. I apologize if anyone was offended.

As to my own experiences, I've had many since I was a child, came through a war surrounded by some interesting individuals and the trend continued through my teenage years up until I was about 24. I am way over 30 now, am away from everything that may look like the underground, but it seems psychopaths just keep popping up around me. After the last experience with a sister of a friend scared out of her mind, I wanted to share my perspective with people. My experience is that faced with a group of people who mean business, a psychopath will back off. I am not affiliated with such groups any longer, but the victim's family should provide for an even stronger base. I don't expect to come out unscathed out of every fight and I'll tell you straight off I am not in a mood for one either, but some things we don't choose and we're glad we did it later. I'll tell you how that goes.

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#12616 - 01/27/12 01:23 PM Re: Do Psychopaths feel FEAR? [Re: Goran]
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Garan,

Your description of your experience has done nothing to illuminate your experience. There's nothing at all specific there.

It doesn't appear that you are coming from the same direction as the other members here. With that, you can not even begin to understand the psychopath.

Starry, what floats their boats is as unique and individual as their life experiences and other desires. And my dad was not well off.. he had to work hard. i'll give him that.. i only felt threatened by him.. with no real physical harm done.. but on the other hand, my siblings tell stories of physical and sexual harm. so.. he likes mexican food your dad likes french food.. they are still what they are.

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#12619 - 01/27/12 03:41 PM Re: Do Psychopaths feel FEAR? [Re: daddysproblem]
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You can click on any users name and view their posts so you can read their histories. Please don't ask anyone here to repeat their stories, just click on their username and you can read for yourself. I think it is you that needs to bring evidence to what you are declaring. I can't figure out if you are a troll or have some agenda.

I found no pleasure in "dubious" contact with watching murder trials involving Psychopaths. I had to keep an emotional distance so I didn't lunge across the courtroom and throttle them. I did attend the trials because I like to know what I am talking about and watching them up close and knowing they can't get to me is important in my learning so I can share with our community. The worst trial was before I moved here and I was contacted by the DA and reviewed all the documents to see if I could add anything. It is still a touchy subject here in this normally quiet town. At the time it was the worst mass murder in the US. There were other bodies that the killer told about from prison. I am 100% sure there are more but he has found God and quite happy in prison. It was sport killing. One woman saw them come out of a house a year or so before their rampage with what looked like a body and the police believed the perps that it was a deer, for gods sake, that poor woman was so shattered and in fear she left town so no one would know where to find her.

The entire community was in so much fear and anger and pain and the atmosphere was so heated they had to put up special bullet proof entrances to bring the Psychopath into the courtroom for FEAR some citizen might kill him during the trial, the DA had to put in bullet proof glass and special locks they never had to have on their offices because of the public outrage and the thousands of lives that were shattered, FEAR was in the air people breathed. The entire story is horrific. A well respected State Patrol officer committed suicide because he has stopped one of the gang a couple of days before and made a mistake when he input the numbers on a record check. That guy wasn't the main guy who was a full blow Psychopath but still the Officer had a strong conscience and was in so much pain thinking he could have stopped it.

Btw, the DA is now a friend of mine who I have lunch with often. I think when I say they feel no fear I am not just shooting from the hip. He has threatened from prison and put a hit out on the DA. It is TOTAL BS to say they have any form of FEAR.

I have met a few of the direct victims and it is hard to find anyone who wasn't connected to those that were shot in cold blood since I have been here, their lives are still shattered over the brutal killings. I strongly believe they are all capable of murder.

Who was in fear, NOT the Psychopath. I would bet my life on it and I don't say that lightly.

You need to back up your wild claims or this conversation is over, if any members post that they want you to stop it will stop.

I feel you are being glib and upsetting our community. Like another member suggested tell YOUR story and maybe we can understand where you are coming from, until you back up why you make such claims with some evidence instead of these bold statements you are making, this is going way off what our community stands for.

Clearly you have never been in fear of a Psychopath like everyone else here.

Di

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#12620 - 01/27/12 04:09 PM Re: Do Psychopaths feel FEAR? [Re: Dianne E.]
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Goran, I have read through the latest posts by the other members of our community again very carefully before coming to this conclusion. I feel this conversation has gotten destructive. My role here is to keep the lights on and to most importantly protect the community from any form of abuse and this is riding in that direction. The members have suffered enough abuse for a million lifetimes and they won't get any form of abuse here, end of subject.

We are just not a good fit for you, there are lots of sites online now that would welcome your type of communication. We are a privately funded group so you have no one to go to if you want to complain about this decision besides me. Please don't bother, I won't read your emails so don't waste your time.

I hope you find a group that fits your personality and ideas.

Di

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#12625 - 01/28/12 03:34 AM Re: Do Psychopaths feel FEAR? [Re: Dianne E.]
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I just want to outline a few experiences I have had whilst dealing with my father over the course of my life. His lack of fear is such an important and misunderstood aspect of his personality and not just because of the actions that have come as a consequence but also because I projected my own psychology onto him in varying ways. I would consider myself a slightly anxious person and I don’t like confrontation. I believe that this lead me and my mother to mistake my father’s complete lack of anxiety for bravery and strength.

I just remember being so terribly impressed with his composure and ability to calmly deal with numerous conflicts all at once during the course of his life. I now know that some of these conflicts were very serious but at the time I thought of my dad as being utterly principled. This lack of proper fear/anxiety is one of the reasons they can calmly handle the fallout from all the things they do and why they are able to cover their tracks so well.

I’ve seen my father get angry and contemptuous but I have never seen my father show proper anxiety – certainly not the kind that forces the rest of us to stop and properly evaluate our actions before carrying them out. Perhaps the closest my father came was when I caught him out regarding some of his lies. It was more of a kind of frustrated anger though.

It’s like empathy – he has lots of cold empathy but he isn’t able to make the next step and connect it with an emotional response. I’m not sure about how or if he feels emotions but there has always been something missing.

As for comments about socialized vs. criminal psychopaths I have something serious to say. I agree that you can’t live in fear and that most psychopaths don’t commit homicide and I agree that, for the most part, they are just parasites and conmen/women. However it is incredibly dangerous to come onto a forum like this and tell people that ”there is a almost non-existent chance of risking your life if you do confront a socialized psychopath”. The reality is that some psychopaths, like my father, do kill and they get away with it and by the time people realise it’s all too late. My father, for the most part, appeared more normal then normal people do so how do you know? If there is a lesson from my story it’s that things can go wrong when you challenge a person like my father… when your isolated and they can get away with it they might just do it – even if they are supposedly “socialised”.

By the way my father used to take my emails, dissect them into small paragraphs and intersect them with countless comments. It should have been a sign in hindsight…

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#12626 - 01/28/12 05:25 AM Re: Do Psychopaths feel FEAR? [Re: SonOfaPsychopath]
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It strikes me that you are very vulnerable, Goran. For the following reasons:

He has your attention. He most definitely has! Just look at the amount of time and energy you've put into all of this.

Your reasons for trying to help this woman and her child. I'm talking about your feelings here, and what those feelings are. I don't need to know for myself, but whatever those feelings are, he'll sniff them out and start twisting them around quicker than you can string a train of thought together.

And once the situation with this woman and her child is 'resolved' in whatever manner that may be, what next? Are you going to shadow him as he picks out his next 'victim'? There will, without a shadow of a doubt, be another victim. They will, no doubt, be equally vulnerable, equally deserving of those same feelings you had as his previous victim.

You are very obviously prepared to enter into the fray and give him yet more of your energy and attention.

Oh yes, he most definitely has your attention, you're most definitely caught in his web. Clever man that he is.

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