Yes, she is a very interesting one, it is obvious from reading she had to be a Psychopath. What do you think about her son. Since most if not all cult leaders are Psychopath's do you think she was the cult leader of one (her son)?

Di

Yes, Di, I believe she was the cult leader of her son. I have little doubts about it. Sante Kimes is a lot like my mother. Kenny, her son, was doomed from the beginning. He had no chance. It was that movie about them that for the first time made me to take a better look at my own mother, and at myself. Sante Kimes also has another son, Kent Walker, who was able to break away free from her, and put his life relatively together. He went on writing a book about his childhood and this book ended up winning many awards. I read every word in it; it helped me to cope with my own issues. I also tried to read as many interviews with him as possible, in hopes they would provide answers to many questions that I had about my own life. He was able to break free from her. Sante Kimes' lawyer later said about him "It's a miracle, an absolute miracle, that this young man is a person of the quality and character given what he's gone through." He said that he still stays in touch with Walker, and that he is amazed Walker turned out the way he did given his upbringing. Walker said he eventually realized that his half brother Kenny had gone borderline insane, a victim of his mother's constant desire to control him. He said "I had never given up trying to save (Kenny) from her, but by this time it was too late." He also says "I think she has a manic desire to control everything, and she had to create chaos in everyone's life to satisfy her addiction to attention," Walker said. "But I don't think anyone will ever really know how she became this. To her, she is still the victim of some big conspiracy." In his book, he reveals how narrowly he escaped his brother's fate.

One interview with him says :

"Yet Walker says his mother loved him fiercely. She threw him elaborate birthday parties with ponies and clowns; once, after a bully beat Kent up, she whipped the kid's father with a garden hose. It wasn't until he was reported to the police at age 12 for stealing a surfboard that Walker decided Sante's criminal ways were not for him. The experience, he says, "scared the tar out of me."

Kenny, born 12 years after Kent, wasn't so lucky. His father, Ken Kimes, a multimillionaire developer, loved Sante madly, says Walker, and grew addicted to the thrill of playing her con games. The Kimeses moved from Palm Springs to Newport Beach to Hawaii to Vegas to the Bahamas, always a step ahead of the law. Then, in 1986, Sante was jailed for enslaving the Mexican girls she used as unpaid maids. Kenny was 14 in 1989 when his mother was released, and she promptly made him a full partner in her schemes.

After Ken Sr. died in 1994, mother and son went into overdrive. Where once their houses mysteriously burned down, now associates turned up dead or missing. "Kenny didn't have a chance," says Walker. "In the end, he bought into Mom's delusion. She just broke his spirit."

Walker, however, broke with his mother for good in 1997. For years, the controlling Sante had resented her older son's wife. "It's like I was fighting some evil ex-girlfriend over Kent," says Lynn. The rivalry boiled over one night outside a Vegas restaurant, when Sante made a nasty remark and Walker found his hands around her throat. That did it."


Walker hopes Kenny won't wind up with a death sentence. Of his mother, he says, execution "might put her out of her misery."

He stills talks with Kenny often on the phone, but doesn't want anything to do with his mother. He says that now that Kenny has been away from her for some time, he started to see a glimpses of a human in him. He says that he was able to break free from his mother because he inherited the strength from her, but Kenny never did.

When asked by Kenny's lawyer if he would testify on behalf of his brother to save him from the death penalty, he said yes, he will. But he also said that he dreaded to face his mother in court because testifying on behalf of Kenny would incriminate her.

Sante and Kenny Kimes got arrested in 1998. In 2001, I think, Kenny took hostage a reporter, who was taking interview from him in prison, and demanded to not extradit his mother to California to face the death penalty. He got 8-years of solitary confinement for that. Even in prison, he would make his already bad situation even worse in order to try to help his mother. However, some years later, in 2004, he agreed to testify against his mother in court. I believe these years without her control gave him the opportunity to think of how she really messed up his life. Since his birth she had total control over him. The only "friends" he ever had were the ones she paid to come over to socialize with him.

In my mind, Kenny Kimes was the victim. He just was the kind of victim who eventually became dangerous to others. He deserves to be in prison for not being strong enough to break free. But I do feel very sad about his fate.

http://www.librarything.com/work/850428

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/nov/30/magazine/tm-kimes48

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jun/18/local/me-kimes18

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20134303,00.html

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2001/Jun-17-Sun-2001/news/16329934.html

I found this transcript of Larry King show where he inteviewed Sante and Kenny Kimes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0103/25/lklw.00.html

She is clearly with no conscience, whatsoever. But while it is so evident when reading her statements, I bet to actually seeing her saying all these things would sound more convincing. The tone of her voice and facial expressions probably did the trick. I wish I could actually hear and see her talk, and not just read the transcript/

Taken from that transcript:

"MCQUILLAN: Went she away for four years in prison following her 1986 conviction for slavery, that was the one time, say his friends, that young Kenny Kimes had a shot at playing with other kids, and being exposed to the world at large, and he had the potential for being an upstanding citizen. People said he was sharp, and kind and sweet, people that I've spoken to. You know, doing research in school and college. But then when she came back, she imposed the controls on him, and he dropped out of the University of California at Santa Barbara, and allegedly followed his mother on this path that she had chosen. "

This is just sad.

Hi forest flower, thanks for those links, I just finished reading them all since I had forgotten most of it.

A couple of things stuck out for me, the second husband was wealthy but he seemed to enjoy the con life. The mention of lipstick a couple of times along with the indication of sexual contact with her son. I would think if the sexual part wasn't true there would be a firm denial not a round about answer?

Di

From watching a lot of CourtTv, it usually seems the ones who appear to be Psychopaths are the ones to take the stand. She would certainly have opened a bag of worms/maggots if she got on the stand since her entire past would be open.

They like all Psychopath's are the perfect victims, everyone is out to get them.

I had thought they had rented the apartment next to the lady (silverman) they were accused of killing and the transcripts weren't clear or I missed something.

Yes, the lipstick part sounded kind of like strange. I mean, I don't know why, but just the choice of word "lipstick" they both used is strange and unusual. Their reaction to the sexual contact accusation was appropriate, I think. I am just thinking if someone would accuse me of something to such extent outrageous, I would just laugh back, most likely. They had to "twist" themselves out of murder, and didn't want to waste their energies on sex accusations. I also noticed how Sante somewhere in the middle of the transcript attacked Larry King "You fabricate movie stories, right?" And then at the end of the interview all of a sudden she turned into this helpless lamb and started to plead him to protect her "Please, help as Larry! Please!" The other thing that stuck out to me is that from what I read, (and I am not a professional in all of this), but psychopaths tend to have a distinctive speech pattern and this distinction is almost impossible for a listener to detect. They put a lot of weight on to the intonation and onto their voice to convince their listener, but when you actually try to follow their sentence structure and the choice of words, they tend to be bizarre. I heard they especially tend to "scramble" the beginning of their sentences, and listeners tend to overlook it, caught up in the whole "aura" of their speech. That is why I think it was hard for the typist to type Sante's responses into the transcript during the interview. There are lots of omissions in her sentences. Kenny's responses were typed more coherently. That's why I wish I could actually see and hear her talk during that interview. Yes, I think psychopaths are the ones to take the stand at every opportunity they can get. They have a huge ability to persuade and they use it well. Anyways, they are in prison for good and that is where they belong.

Hi forest flower, I will have to go back and read the sexual references, what I thought at the time I was reading it that I guess if I was accused I would say an immediate no and it seemed like they danced verbally before saying no.

What did you think of her rich husband who engaged in her antics?

I was watching a show the other night called American Greed and the story was about this very rich man and his wife going through a divorce, I hate to diagnose from the TV, lol but he sure had the characteristics, even with all the money, one way of many that he controlled the family in their huge mansion was to make them huddle in front of a fireplace for heat. He tried to hire a hit man to kill the wife and fortunately was dealing with an undercover cop. He was so clever he had all the responses for the hit man typed up on index cards so he wouldn't speak in case of a microphone. He did get tripped up and sent to prison, his wife is still in fear and in hiding from him even though he is locked up.

It makes me wonder what issues the rich husband of Sante had to participate? She had plenty of money but still felt the need to steal, I guess that comes from feeling superior, I must say Sante had some very clever ways when caught like the time she punched her son to turn it on the clerk.

Di