JAM;

Hmmm, will have to try the no sound deal. Sounds provacative. That is when I can stomach watching Georgie.
Personally, I think that 90% of these "position holders" are not quite right. It's like watching a giant circus with nothing but a bunch of clowns. Unfortunately, the act isn't very funny.

Coffee?? What about the "rubber bread"?

MCN

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Coffee?? What about the "rubber bread"?

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um... well I wasnt going to mention that. I'm sure there must be a few craftsman bakers making real bread somewhere in the continental United States... but I havent come across one. (Have only ever been to New York, New Mexico and Texas.)

There again... if you want a decent Margarita or a whisky sour... what you find in the UK is very sub standard

whoa! enough already. Does this constitute thread drift? I think I'd better stop here.

This was sent to me via email to publish for a member who didn't wish to post it but asked me to:

IN THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST

During the past two years I have unearthed a vast amount of knowledge, some of which I would have preferred not to have acquired, some of which I found to be quite profound, and some of which was painful.

I have learned how not to be blinded by trust. I have learned how well trust can be used to manipulate. I have learned how well an image can be established to mirror something of worth, but based on deceit.

Yes, the image. This proved to be the most interesting aspect in retrospect. I wonder just how many are deceived by it. Quite a few, I suspect. Why, family would be shocked to know what I know.

Truly amazing how it operated. I even assisted in keeping all the lies in tact. As reality unfolded before me, I began to understand how I served the purpose of the image. It continued long enough for indignation to ensue if I questioned it or expressed doubts. Yes, I made it extremely easy to be lied to or duped into an assumption, or even kept ignorant.

The discovery was similar to falling into a deep abyss, never knowing when I would reach bottom. But when I did reach bottom, I found it cushioned. I was a trifle bruised from the fall, but strangely enough my cushion turned out to be truth.

During that fall, I learned how long and how well I had been deceived and duped. I learned how the image had been created and how it serves its creator to this very day.

What exactly did I find? On the surface the image shone with all the attributes recognized by most as worthy of attaining. But closer examination revealed the image has acquired these attributes by mimicry or with silence or by deflection. Parrot that which is deemed good; remain silent and incur assumptions; or distort and magnify others’ shortcomings; the creed of the image. Once I was able to sort this out, the image began to appear in its true form.

As I uncovered lie after lie after lie, I began to wonder where this image all began. Hunger for truth enabled me to continue to delve deeper and prepare for the final revelation, which proved to be far grimmer than I ever imagined.

I learned the deepest, darkest secret of the image and it was vile and disgusting. This particular revelation placed everything into perspective. All the lies, deceit, and distrust gave clarity to the image. I even caught a glimpse of the image's own self-loathing. Yes, the image has much to hide.

I sat at the bottom of the abyss contemplating all that I had witnessed and all that I had learned. Eventually, I emerged from the abyss dragging the foul and stinking carcass of the image behind me. I felt no sense of loss or longing; there were no tears or sadness.

I buried the carcass of the image in some unmarked place and time, for I knew with all certainty there would never be any need or desire to know of the image again. No need to mark its end or beginning; no need to recall it; no need of it at all.

As I departed from that place and time, I heard some distant echo of the image. The image tried to claim yet another image; that of the bear. The bear belonged to him, he cried, for he had nurtured it and raised it from a cub.

I laughed. I had unwittingly created the bear for the image, and the bear had served the purpose of the image as the bear had been assigned the attributes the image sought to reflect. But now I realized the bear was based on attributes of the image, which never really existed. And surely I did not wish to retain that which had been nurtured with deceit.

Again I laughed, for the pathetic little image doesn’t even realize that he and the bear do not exist, and isn’t that an appropriate end to the image that he would seek to lay claim to yet another lie.

Yes, the bear does indeed belong to you.

as its a nice day and Im not feeling all that serious...have a look at:

DISTRESSES OF THE PERSON (PSYCHOPATHY)

..which appears to have been translated from Russian by a 12 year old Moscow schoolboy equipped with a Russian -English dictionary, but unfortunately little knowledge of the English language.

The funny thing is that it almost makes sense. There are hints of meaning, but you're never quite sure. When the going gets really tough, the translator just gives up and slips the Russian word in.. .

My favourite bit is Gannushkin's 9 categories of Psychopathic Persons. Category 9 is just pure Monty Python.- The 'initially silly' Psychopath.

Hmmm...Pity all Psychopaths aren't 'initially silly' - we'd have much less trouble spotting them!


And stand well clear if you see any 'excreted phylums' flying past - you dont want to get splashed by any of those. Very noxious - and it takes ages to get rid of the smell.

..ok thats enough of that... far too silly

Hey JAM,

That article was pretty entertaining. Thanks for throwing that in. It was a good chuckle.

MCN

JustAMan sent me this interesting story, reads like something out of a crime book.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4530465.stm

NB link to streaming BBC TV news report on this page

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4732185

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4732147

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4733275

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4732225

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4632705

Prosecution :

“He has no remorse, no regrets and I am sure that if allowed to do so again, he would do so.”

‘I can get away with anything because I have no shame’, is, in our submission, Hendy-Freegard in a nutshell.”

Judge Pillay :

“A number of victims all fell prey to your devious charm.

It's plain to me as I have listened to the evidence over the months that you are an egotistical and opinionated confidence trickster that has not shown an ounce of remorse for the degradation to which your victims were subjected.

I regard you as a continuing danger to others and women in particular.

Having regard to the mental and physical injuries your victims were made to suffer I give you advance warning that I'm minded to impose a discretionary life sentence."

http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=HF2314387A&news_headline=spy_conman_faces_life_in_jail

duksen
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07/05/05 09:44 PM
I want to know why I am attracted to psychopaths and they are drawn to me? My past three relationships have been crazy, full of "love" but carzy stuff.

Hello all, I'm new here and new to posting so forgive me if I don't do it correctly. I feel compelled to tell my story because it has been a while since I've really "vented". I was with my P for 10 years, married to him for 5 years, and have a daughter with him. (And 2 sons from a previous marriage). We divorced 4 years ago but because of his outrageous lies and ability to con police, judges, guardian ad litems and total strangers we have share custody of our daughter but she lives with HIM and I pay support. During our marriage I watched him try to kill his mother by turning off her oxygen when she was in the hospital with cancer,beat the tar out of a man on camera and walked on the charge,stalked and harrassed his own sister and her husband (stole their mail boxes, slashed their tires,sent hundreds of awful faxes to their employers,etc.)and walked on the charges,stole thousands of dollars from people and walked,gave his other daughter a black eye with his fist TWICE and walked,impersonated a police officer and walked,aggravated stalking (on another woman) and walked....you get the idea. He did spend 18 months in federal prison on money laundering and conspiracy charges.

The last straw was when he told me he was going to "stab me to death" with a pair of very large kitchen scissors after he beat me up. I managed to get away and the police took pictures of the bruises he left on my body wich the state attorney's office conveniently lost. So of course, he walked. He violated my restraining order 19 times before I lost count and walked even though I had phone records, witnesses,and even messages he left on my voice mail stating his name and that he knew he was violating the restraining order. He told the Judge's assistant that I had just "signed my death warrant". Yet he walked. I went into hiding and he found me 4 times. I went into the Address Confidentiality Program, but in the end I had to move back to the area because the Judge wouldn't allow me to see our daughter unless I gave my ex my address and phone number.

I know he will kill me one day. When we went to court last time to increase the child support I pay, he said these words to the Judge: "Wouldn't it be easier to just kill her?" He said it in a joking way, but anyone who really knows him knows he was serious. The Judge said nothing. He tells the biggest lies, (like I'm in a cult, and most recently that he is a secret operative for the Air Force and he has to go investigate a friend's death who mysteriously died in Iraq) and I think he believes them himself! Worse...other people believe him. And this man is raising our daughter. There's so much more but you get the idea. I am so tired of fighting this battle.
Thanks all for letting me vent a little! I needed to!

Hi hereiam, welcome to the forum. Whew sounds like you have been through the mill.

It must be very difficult to let him raise your daughter. Is there any way to get her back without any physical harm to yourself? I wonder how such a violent person can parent a child.

It sounds like you are justified with your fears from him. Is he employed? You said "He did spend 18 months in federal prison on money laundering and conspiracy charges." Was this related to a job he held if I may ask?

Your situation sounds very terrifying and complicated. It is too bad you can't get your daughter and escape someplace where he can't find you? He must be very clever to keep track of you. Is he well educated or just clever enough to track you down? With his background it sounds like your best hope is for him to get caught and thrown back in prison.

I don't understand how he could be awarded custody of your daughter even if the other charges haven't stuck but with his prison conviction I would think that would change the picture?

Di

Hi Di. The reason she lives with him in the first place is because she had epilepsy and was covered under his insurance when I left him....he left a message on my voice mail saying he was going to remove her from the policy so I could "see how I liked paying for my daughters medical expenses with no insurance." Her meds alone were over $800 a month without insurance plus EEG's MRI's,and blood tests. He did try to remove her from the policy but the insurance company wouldn't let him. However he refused to sign and return some claim forms they had sent him so they stopped paying. She was still on the policy but they wouldn't pay for anything until he sent back the forms. Needless to say I couldn't get her on medicaid or anything else because she was still on a policy. I went to DCF,Epilepsy Foundation,Salvation Army...no one would help me. When I couldn't pay for her meds my ex used it as grounds to get custody.

I couldn't afford an attorney for $15,000 just to get started and I didn't qualify for legal aid so I had to represent myself. At the end of the hearing the judge said he was very impressed with my legal skills but decided to go with the guardian ad litems recommendation and give my ex primary residence. (I might add here that the guardian ad litem was completely snowed by my ex and even went out to a bar with him)

When my ex was arrested for aggravated stalking against his girlfriend I was in the Address Confidentiality Program. I waited for 3 days to see if he would get out of jail but the judge raised his bond. I picked up my daughter and hid with her while I filed for custody. My ex got out of jail and told the police I left the state with her so they put a kidnapping warrant out for my arrest (which was later dropped). At court my ex showed up extremely drunk and the judge ordered him to go to alcohol counseling and anger management and returned my daughter to his custody. That was a year ago and he still has not attended one class.

Yes,he is very intelligent. I would say genious. He can't hold a job and since he likes to live large, he scams people out of money. That's how he pays his bills. The federal time he did was because of that. His first wife has a restraining order against him too and they divorced 12 years ago.

So now I feel helpless. All I can do is take it one day at a time,watch my back and spend as much time with my daughter as I can. One day she'll be 18 and I will leave this place and never look back, if I live that long.