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I think it's tough to get a diagnosis for some. They won't see a therapist because they don't think they have a problem, or they will mislead the therapist to get the diagnosis they want to get the drugs they want (mine did that.). I was lucky to have a therapist who became a therapist because he had one. So, when he saw my ex, he was experienced with psychopathic females. I just thought she was a big liar with some other issue but his diagnosis really explained everything and has continued explaining what she has done and continues to do. I don't know why she wanted to "keep" me. She was never cruel to me to my face. She constantly would ask if the marriage was okay and if it wasn't she would revert to love bombing and drop her affairs to focus on me. I think - and this is pure speculation of course - that some of them do this because they find a person who is their "perfect drug." That is, the emotional feed is satisfying to the point they don't want to let it go. They want to keep getting that supply from person x because it is probably the closest to "love" as we Empaths (that's what they call normal people) understand it as they get. My ex actually shared a lot of how she perceived the world to me while we were drinking one night. It was an interesting discussion I will share later. Tons of red flags but I didn't know that at the time. I will share soon because I think that was one of the few times she was honest about what she is. It disturbed me but I thought I could help her.

My mistake.

It's tough, I completely agree with this and with what Di said, probably in most cases it's ordered by the court to have the possible psychopath diagnosed. The thing is that, in many cases the same symptoms as in Psychopathy may occur in a Narcissist and most of the symptoms in these two disorders overlap. Then you can easily say about a narcissist that he is a psychopath. People that do not have much to education regarding psychiatry can make this mistake - (Narcissist have conscience and they can learn from their mistakes, and a few other positive symptoms, too many to list here).

Anyway, back on topic, our psychopath did the same thing, just lied to the psychiatrists, usually was prescribed the drug of choice until things have escalated, and now he is dealing with other mental disorders too, not sure what they are, but he's on anti-psychotic medication. Still behaves psychopathic .. the drugs do nothing, except make them more calm, and seemingly is less manipulative and demanding but on the other side the impulsiveness has escalated. Alcohol became a huge habit, conning and lying are constant day-to-day "operations".

Still living under the same roof, he does nothing, doesn't even wash his dishes, doesn't contribute to the house chores, always ask where his things are when he is a complete mess. I am stuck, being a family member we can't do much about this situation. You can't go kick him out, unless he does something serious to harm us. The psychological abuse was hard enough to bare along the years, I am going through trauma right now, I honestly admit I am scarred of him, even watching him closely sometimes. The look on the face, just doesn't look right then you're all nervous thinking of what he's about to do next. I know some people might think we're worrying too much, but we're not, just live with a psychopath for 20 - 30 years and you'd feel the same. You feel pity, you feel disgust, you feel scarred, you feel numb, you become ignorant, then in the end you do have to become ignorant with the psychopath there is no other way.

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Di,

Females have less opportunities in general. Less power, less influence.

So, the female Psychopath would fall under the radar.

All Psychopath's have to work with what they were born into. And the other genetic variables that they were born with.

That's why I put little signifigance on the behaviors. They are as unique as the circumstances and genetics of the psychopath.

Regarding the pedophile teachers. The females appear to get more press. The males are a dime a dozen - nothing new here. And - they do go to jail. I have no idea what the stats are but I would guess the reason there are fewer is because predatory traits in females is frowned on in society, in men they are revered. Also, typically women have sex for different reasons then men.

Well, the society is collapsing but there's many more people suffering from it than the people responsible. I'd really say "we're the 99%. I've known a lot of people in my life and only a few of them could be Psychopaths and even out of these few probably not everyone was really like that. There may be places where there is more of them and there may be people who tend to jump into them too often. But I think 1-2% is max unless I'm really lucky or blind;).

Thanks Di but I'm not that young anymore and I've never had a real relationship that would last more than a month. Mostly because I almost never fall in love and when I do it's not the right person and they don't love me back. The Psychopath was the first time that it seemed to work both ways but it was an illusion. I sometimes think there is something wrong with me but I wouldn't know what.

I don't think so much anymore. You see people being more and more aware - especially about the corporate Psychopaths. Of course I'm talking about the people who are in general taking their time to really learn about the world around them which sadly is never the majority of the population. But I've had the Psychopath mentioned in the context of my Psychopath from other people and I also know they are able to recognise Psychopaths in the institution they work with all the signs (like being nice and charming when they want something for you but in the same time one knows how they treat people working below them). Of course it's different from the first hand experience but I think a lot of people still get the message.

I don't think it's the population, I think it's the DSM, and not 40-50% but I guess 80-90%. This handbook has been receiving a lot of criticism and it's growing. Sure, a diagnosis helps but it can be wrong in either direction, it's just to subjective these days. I'd wait for the brain scans to get better researched...
But I agree with the estimate being too high rather than too low, prison population is likely to have more rather than fewer Psychopaths.

Mine also told me things like: "you feel too much, I don't feel enough". He was on one hand trying to "fix me" but on the other I had a feeling he was getting "energy" from me, somehow as if the strength of my emotions was giving something for him. I have no idea if that's true or it's just my perception of it but it felt so. This guy was purposefully seeking out "girls with problems" in order to push them over the edge and get the strong response. But he was just moving from one person to another, probably because he was getting bored and the girls were getting "used up" - there is only so much one can take emotionally.

I can never know for certain how many Psychopath's are in or have been in my life. I am confident that i'm like buffy the Psychopath slayer. once you are raised by one and know them intimately you understand them on a very very deep level. So all the speculation and the conclusions and view of people that are not the offspring are limited in my opinion. parents are the 2 people that love you unconditionally. that IS being human. romantic partners, friends, can have many ulterior motives but parents don't. that's human nature. so when a human, as myself, are forced to SEE that their parent does not love them, does not care, has no empathy, it's very hard to not have that impact their world view. I have an acute awareness when i am finally faced with someone without empathy/compassion.

so, my neighbor, i believe is a Psychopath. she is MY female Psychopath.

i'm on to her but know one else is. and it's doubtful anyone else would be either - unless of course they have my particular talent. you see, she is also incredibly skilled. i think most people think she's quirky, lonely, well meaning, awkward.. kind. but i see that everything she does is to gain positive feedback from people. she'll clean your driveway, take care of your garbage. she'll chat it up - ask how you are.

so, she's not a criminal, in fact, she's a therapist (top 10 Psychopath professions).

but because i caught on to her, she knows, that i know. and she messes with me.

so, the question, female psychopath? are they different. nah.. only different in that female lawyers or female doctors or female teachers are different. the get born with a brain that doesn't work right and the rest is up to circumstance.

one thing i know for sure is she is scary. i now stay clear of her. except when i don't. my main problem is she has dogs and one is aggressive. of course it feels her cues and it's attacked my dog and has chased after me. all the while she just looks on. she takes them on walks.. but the leash, is 20 feet. so they have quite a range for me to worry about. when i was caught off guard the other day and she wa on her doorstep, and they were almost right next to me, because the damn leash was 20 feet, i freaked out. i was also feeling a little more powerful due to a little wine consumption. i proceeded to follow her, on my bike (yes, funny ha ha ) but when i called her a Psychopath.. she went back home. that seemed to stop her in her tracks. interesting.

yes, anyone reading this.. yes, i need to stay away.. i usually do, but as i said.. circumstances.. clashed.

my 2 cents ( since it seems to be on this thread too ) is that it's definitely greater then 1-2%. i just think alot of them have never been really pushed to their limits and are socialized. you make friends with them, or start a romantic relationship, or a work relationship, and they show their Psychopath-side.. and you stay away, or modify contact. especially if it's a friend or romantic partner. they don't go out of their way - they don't become obviously Psychopath. they're really like anyone else.

Hi daddysproblem, I totally agree I think with age and exposure our eyes are more open and our minds accept that they are everywhere. It is hard to watch a TV show here without a story about one, the only difference is they don't say they are a Psychopath but clearly they have to be. I see at least a couple of shows a week that show up on my DVR by national TV shows that feature both male and female Psychopath's.

Back to women here are some interesting information, keep in mind that studies about women are just getting noticed so these are the opinions of these authors. I don't agree that there are so many fewer than men, but that is just my opinion. I think women in general can be sneaky (lol, so much for a technical description) but I hope you know what I mean.


Female Psychopaths
Are there more than we think?
Published on May 2, 2012 by Joni E. Johnston, Psy.D. in The Human Equation

Callous. Unemotional. Lacking empathy. Aggressive. Impulsive. Acting without any regard for the welfare of others. These descriptions have consistently been used to describe psychopathy, a rather grim personality constellation that is over-represented in prison inmates (although the majority of inmates are not psychopaths and most psychopaths are not in prison). This personality make-up is also consistently documented more often in men versus women; in fact, the ratio has been as high as 20:1.

However, new research suggests that some of the difference between men and women may not be in the existence of deceitful, manipulative, and exploitive personality traits but in the expression of them. Specifically, these researchers found that women may be more likely to express these personality deficits through behaviors that are typically associated with, and diagnosed as, other mental illnesses.

For example, these researchers found overlap between some of the symptoms such as histrionic personality disorder or borderline personality disorder. A woman whose extreme fear of abandonment leads her to periodic outbursts of rage over real or imagined transgressions, flips between seeing her significant other as either completely perfect or totally evil, or who has to constantly be the center of attention certainly isn't who we think of when we think of the classic psychopath. But she may be just as incapable of true empathy, and just as manipulative and deceitful, as the callous, unemotional male.

Source...... Psychology Today Female Psychopaths


Male vs. Female Psychopathy

Throughout time there have been many controversies on what factors create a psychopath. While some have argued that biological, social, familial, and environmental aspects make a psychopath who they are, there is more to it than meets the eye. These factors do not explain the tremendous difference between male and female offenders. While sex differences in psychopaths may be looked over, they are some of the most evident differences in criminal activity. These sex differences range from the number of individuals classified as psychopaths, types of crimes, depth of depravity, and even the victims of these individuals.

More often than not, the public sees stories of male psychopaths on the news. Females however, are seen only once in a blue moon. The sole reason behind this is that there is a greater number of males classified as psychopaths than females. This difference in conduct begins to appear in adolescents as well as young children. While the sociocultural theory focuses on different peer and adult interactions with children at a young age, there are many biological factors that affect this as well (Raine, Narr, Toga, & Yang, 2011). One study shows that “…more boys than girls had conduct disorders, despite marked differences between studies in the age range of children studied, nationality, reporting sources, and procedures followed to convert the symptoms into diagnostic categories” (Class Reading).

While this sex difference is variable around the globe, the general trend is seen cross culturally. In one study, researchers found that in Great Britain, for every girl with conduct disorder, there were two boys with the disorder. Similarly, in the southeastern United States, there was a reported ratio of four boys per girl with conduct disorder (Class Reading). Conduct disorders however, are not the only reason there are more male than female psychopaths. Many criminals and psychopaths suffer from what is known as antisocial personality disorder. One study on APD states, “Reduced orbitofrontal volumes have been reported in males when compared with women have been reported. Furthermore, patients who have suffered demonstrable damage to the ventral, orbitofrontal regions of the prefrontal cortex proceed to acquire an antisocial, psychopath-like personality, whereas volume reductions in prefrontal gray matter have been reported in several antisocial population” (Raine, et al.). If this study holds true, there is evidence that because more males than females have reduced orbitofrontal volumes, there is likely to be more male psychopaths than females.

In addition to the number of individuals classified as psychopaths, the types of crimes and depth of depravity differ greatly between male and female psychopaths. Females have always been thought to be more nurturing and therefore less violent when it comes to aggression and crime. This often times is the reason that researchers feel that women lack the underlying motives for violence (Class Readings). Research has shown that males account for more of every type of offence at every age. This study also shows that the largest sex difference is apparent in violent crimes whereas the difference is very small in drug or alcohol related offences (Class Readings). In general females commit more petty crimes, but that does not mean that females do not carry out acts of violence. Females tend to commit acts of violence, or murder, but they do them in a more discrete way. While males are more prone to shooting, strangling, and stabbing, females are more prone to poison, or suffocate their victim which reduces their depth of depravity (Class Video).

Furthermore, the most substantial sex difference in psychopaths is the difference in victims of the psychopaths. While studies have shown that males are more likely to engage in violence of all kinds, the one and only exception found is with family violence (Class Readings). This trend however is not only limited to the United States and is seen cross culturally. In one study done at a hospital for the mentally disordered in Zimbabwe, researchers found that, “The majority of victims were female and related to the patient. There were no record sexual offences by females” (Menezes, Oyebode, & Haque, 2008). This shows that females are likely to carry out their acts of violence on someone they know and are close to. In many cases of female killers, victims include, but are not limited to, children, dependents, and patients (Class Video). Also, as seen through the study, female psychopaths are not likely to commit sexual offences. Male psychopaths however usually victimize sexual partners, prostitutes, or even young boys and girls. Many times, as in the case of Ted Bundy, men will target females with long hair, and who are attractive for sex, and then end up murdering them. In general it simply seems that males victimize strangers and females victimize people they know.

In the end, sex differences in psychopaths include the number of individuals classified as psychopaths, types of crimes, depth of depravity, and even the victims of these individuals. While there are many factors to take into consideration when it comes to psychopaths, sex differences are some of the most important. Males and females have always been held to different standards, and psychopathy is no exception. Sex differences in behavior will always exists, even in the worst of society.

Source.......Male Vs. Female Psychopaths

My comments, this is based on early diagnosis of conduct disorder which is usually a code word used for children because of issues about labeling them a Psychopath. Every country has a different age when they can be tested for Psychopathy. So if your kid is acting out, killing the family pet, being the neighborhood bully or any other type of behaviors they get the label of conduct disorder. A friendly way of saying your kid is a budding Psychopath. However, that said, many kids like adults never end up being taken to a shrink, the more socialized ones will have parents that will protect them.

Here again, I would argue that the reason boys are labeled with conduct disorder more than the girls is because the girls are more clever in how they exhibit Psychopathic tendencies. They wouldn't be doing overt things like a boy would do but have a different kind of acting out. I also would bet that more men end up in prison than women of the non socialized ones. The scary equation is the ones who are so clever and evil they go through their life and the number of people they impact is so high it would be hard to put a number on it. Imagine a Psychopath in a high position, Jeez the numbers could be staggering.

Di

"Girl world," as presented by Mean Girls, Girl Code, any number of reality shows, makes the girl world as described to me (admittedly, a male who doesn't understand girl world all that much) a great place for a female psychopath to do her thing. People just call them a queen bee or a [censored] and if they're a big enough jerk (or come from a rich enough family) some of them even get their own reality TV shows.

Now that was funny :))

I wouldn't exactly annoy the psychopath though. They are up for revenge, hope you're staying safe, I mean do not annoy the psychopath, she's up for the most evil of things (not necessarily complete them) but what runs through their mind can be put into action. Watch Green River Killer, Ted Bundy, Charles Mason - all psychopaths and serial killers - the fact that not all of them are killers in society, doesn't mean they're not enjoying the idea, they do I bet - or at least revenge somehow.

My ex girlfriend, I believe she's a psychopath by nature, her dad is one anyway and she possibly inherrited it. Her dad abuse her, her sister and her mom for decades, has shown all signs of grandiosity and request/demands admiration (typical psychopath) not to mention the manipulation, cheating and lying. She is very close to her dad's behavior (which I did not understand for almost 8 years). She took revenge, had me in court, had taken my son away from me, has even gave birth to my son without coming up with an agreement if we should have a child or not. I took it. I forgive but I don't forget. She basically fell pregnant, knew it, and ran away, she only called me when nothing could be done about the pregnancy any longer. I forgave her, I still loved her, I still continued the relationship, then she made the fatal mistake to show her real face back in 2009, a parasite, staying all day doing nothing, sucking on my own money and faking to get a job, tried to commit suicide swallowing pills with alcohol and took off to her mom's home the following days without saying anything.

Then the revenge began.

Didn't want to make this too long, but thanks for reading. Psychopath are going to revenge if you annoy them enough. Let me tell you one thing, ignorance is your best tool, if she does get in your way with something, have her understand the issue - or ask the law to take care of her. (if it's that serious).

Psychopath's love good and negative attention so don't give the [censored] any. Ignore her. Leave her in the dust, it's for the better, I know I could have saved years and years if I would have known to ditch my ex right from the start (for her immoral behavior). The other Psychopaths in my life, I couldn't do anything about it, they were/are my primary family members, father and brother.


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