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#17059 - 03/09/18 02:03 PM Re: Psychopath Kids and School Shootings [Re: DadofRad]
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I was only addressing the shooting issue. The issue with getting a diagnosis etc. is clearly a part of the overall picture of what could start to work. I am not sure if I am communicating the issue properly.

I have said all along I have no thoughts about taking guns away. I do have an issue with automatic weapons that are typically used in a war setting.

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#17060 - 03/10/18 05:14 PM Re: Psychopath Kids and School Shootings [Re: DadofRad]
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I just had another discovery about my son and this shooting incident. According to this article:
http://dailysignal.com/2018/03/05/obama-...res-went-wrong/

"A separate report by RealClearInvestigations found that Broward County was part of a “vanguard of a strategy, adopted by more than 50 other major school districts nationwide, allowing thousands of troubled, often violent, students to commit crimes without legal consequence.”
This was part of a larger Obama administration effort, launched in 2011, to reduce racial disparities in school discipline numbers, according to RealClearInvestigations."

This explains a lot. My son was running away in one of those counties too last year and was continually caught commuting crimes such as shop lifting, breaking into neighborhood cars at night, and even breaking the window of a Sprint store. No investigations, charges, or criminal records were even taken regarding these incidents. It seemed that he would probably have to seriously hurt someone before the county law enforcement would give him any consequences. Finally they charged him when he pulled a fire alarm in a public building and he now has a series of Juvenile court assignments to do, like writing reports, and doing some small service. But really? Pulling a fire alarm get's more consequences than breaking and entering?

Now I understand. This killer had dozens of incidents similar to my child including bringing bullets to school, assault, etc.
If at the very least they had filed reports on this and put it on his record he would not have passed the federal background check. Further, if he had legal consequences and was under court supervision, the whole incident probably would have been averted as a judge would have been assessing this and making court orders to restrict him. This policy was designed to put an end to the “school to prison pipeline,”. It was a policy enacted by the democratic party based more on political agendas and wishful thinking than common sense. The results were frustrating in my case, but tragic in the case of those 17 families. Bad ideas have victims. I just hope that this shooting incident will cause our government agencies to reverse some of these bad policies and at least ensure a child who commits crimes gets real consequences and it goes on a permanent record.



Edited by DadofRad (03/10/18 05:54 PM)

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#17062 - 03/12/18 01:31 PM Re: Psychopath Kids and School Shootings [Re: DadofRad]
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Thanks so much for sharing the link, when does it stop. This is just incredible to find out. I thought shooter drills were surprising (to me at least) and now this it doesn't make a bit of sense. They are training them in school and the police are looking the other way. Am I reading this correctly?

I can certainly understand your outrage and concern. I think more people should be outraged. It doesn't matter if you have one of these kids in your life or not, everyone should be very concerned. I received a few emails after my last podcast about my position on guns. I just wish we could figure out a way to get something done. I am sorry to be negative but I just don't know. I am really glad to see any progress. I am concerned that it won't be even close to being enough.

Every day I see or read some "new" plan to tackle the issue, will it be enough or in enough time?

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#17063 - 03/13/18 11:38 AM Re: Psychopath Kids and School Shootings [Re: Dianne E.]
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#17064 - 03/16/18 08:01 PM Re: Psychopath Kids and School Shootings [Re: Dianne E.]
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Yes, the programs related to ending the high school to prison pipeline has the effect in our county that a kid can get away with criminal behavior and not even get a juvenile record or any consequences to speak of. I wonder if the reason my son finally got a mild consequence could be related to the fact that a judge was overseeing these incidents because he was in dependency court and may have ordered it. We are breeding psychopaths--normal people are having less children and a psycho will breed without any regard to consequence. Plus we are training kids toward these behaviors with media, video games, and porn and we are providing no consequences when they act up. Again, there is no way to keep them out of the public school system. These incidents are going to get worse no matter how much of an outrage there is unless we start to deal with the real issues here. These psychopaths are on the rise, and our culture will not even acknowledge they exist.

Great article and so much to comment on.
The story sounded similar to mine, a family terrified of their threatening son, now surrendering custody so he would be in a institution, trying to find a therapy that may help. Yes, the infant behavior sounds similar to what we experienced too--biting during breastfeeding, and not being disturbed when another child is hurt. I agree that a highly structured reward programs seem to be the most effective.

I was amazed to see such an accurate analysis of psychopath children in our culture, but then I realized, it wasn't an American Article, but originated in the AU. Our country seems to be in denial on a lot of psychiatric issues, but I will keep my focus on psychopaths. We pretend that every child is a blank slate and all they need is good parenting, boundaries, and love to be a great adults who are stable, productive, and happy. This is a belief system based on humanism that is just false. This article brings out the truth that anti-social traits can be seen a child from birth and are even present in brain scans. I had heard that before about brain scans, but never actually saw an example. I had my son visit a neurologists to scan for abnormalities, and they reported no problems. I think they were only looking for tumors and probably wouldn't have reported those type of abnormalities to me even if they found them. I asked our psychologist if psychopathy was detectable by brain scans and he said no. Once again I wonder if this type of research is politically censored in our country.

I am skeptical of the empathy therapy they mentioned because in my experience training a psychopath to recognize how he may be hurting another person does not keep him from hurting others. I think it only trains them on what to say or how he is supposed to react, but in his perverse thinking, he wins when he hurts people (even when the consequences are bad). This exercise only reinforces to him that he hurt someone else (which he is inherently proud of). When I shared that portion of the article with my daughter and wife, my daughter said she thought the therapy was BS too, but waited to hear my opinion.

I will put "the psychopath whisperer" and “Conduct Disorder and Severe Antisocial Behaviour,” on my book list. Also Taming Toxic People: The science of identifying and dealing with psychopaths at work & at home, by David Gillespie, looks good. Have you read them? This Mom Quillian, is she the one that had the facebook group? If not, are you aware of her group or how to contact? BTW, I started reading the Predator book you recommended but stopped. It was too disturbing for me, and I concluded that the child he was describing was at least not a genetic psychopath because he clearly had feelings of empathy, regret, and guilt as a child. So in my black and white thinking he was not a psychopath, but maybe just someone who had been corrupted and perverted by life's bad. But this is also our cultural humanistic narrative that psychos are not born but made, so being fiction, it may have been embellished to support that belief.





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#17065 - 03/18/18 02:56 PM Re: Psychopath Kids and School Shootings [Re: Dianne E.]
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I think addressing the problem at many angles is a good thing because there are many factors that enable these psycho kids (or adults) to do what they do. Guns, the Internet, porn, video games, and violent media are all social factors that should be better controlled to protect society as whole from easily influenced and unstable people. Also, unless the person is living alone in isolation, there are people who know and should be concerned about his behaviors. These incidents never happen in a vacuum and usually someone in that person's life knows they are a threat. The more we can do to spot and interrupt these behaviors, the better. Also, as mentioned the fact that school, private therapists, hospitals, and institutions that deal with these children (or adults) are working in isolation is a huge problem. If these professionals were required to come together to create a consensus (which happens when the case is turned over to the court) these people would not slip through the cracks so easily.

The biggest problem I see in our culture is a psychological and educational community that is so committed to the notion that killers are made and not born, it renders them incapable of diagnosing a personality disorder even when it is staring them in the face. And when the criminal is a child, the blinders are even higher. You can NOT address a problem when you refuse to acknowledge it. It is interesting to me that therapists who work in prisons or psychiatric hospitals are more ready to correctly diagnose it. Also, my wife who is an educator has found that principals (not teachers) are more capable of recognizing a child like this for what he is because they have more experience actually hospitalizing these children when they are out of control. I know even for myself, I had to have these real life experiences with this before I could see that my idealistic notions of parenting and child development were not based on reality.


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#17066 - 03/18/18 04:00 PM Re: Psychopath Kids and School Shootings [Re: DadofRad]
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Interview with parent of psychopath

I don't agree with Keil's idea of psychopath and Psychopath. I think it is all splitting hairs.

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#17067 - 03/18/18 05:15 PM Re: Psychopath Kids and School Shootings [Re: Dianne E.]
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The link didn't work for me.

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#17068 - 03/19/18 01:27 PM Re: Psychopath Kids and School Shootings [Re: DadofRad]
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It is a weird one but if you sit there for a minute the recording starts.

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#17070 - 03/20/18 10:44 AM Re: Psychopath Kids and School Shootings [Re: Dianne E.]
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Another day, another shooting. This time it did work having an armed officer at the school. Now if this person had an automatic rifle things would have been different.

Another school shooter

The question remains, do I think an armed officer stops these attacks, yes and no. In this small of an area, the shooter would possibly have known there was an armed officer on the premises. Did that stop him? No.

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